Acceptable batteries for the Prodigy...

[vaporize me]

Seems to be alot of confusion concerning the acceptable batteries and their chargers for the Prodigy..at least for me there is.

Rcr123a 3.0v batteries use proprietary chargers? Some chargers for 750mah won't charge 900mah? batteries that are "protected" can be charged with any charger accepting the battery size?

18650 batts don't seem to be so finicky. Although I have read that the 3000mah batt won't produce enough power?

What is with the dangers of blowing up?

Somebody in the know please chime in. I'm sooo confused.

 

[rsngfrce]

I'm confused too! Batteries are nothing but confusion!

I was looking for RCR123a batteries on DealExtreme and couldn't find any rated 750mAh like comes with the Prodigy.

Hopefully there are some battery gurus out there who can clear these things up!

 

[THICKFOG]

I use the RCR123-650ma from deal extreme, they last a day with heavy vaping,,

 

[vaporize me]

Welcome to the world of confusion.... Here are a couple of quotes from an earlier post concerning batteries.

"I believe there is some inherent risk in recharging any Lithium battery (although very minimal). The use of quality "Protected" batteries will help minimize the potential of overcharging/overheating because the battery has its own "Built in" circuitry to prevent this from happening.

Yes, mah is the milliamp hour rating ...lay terms = mah is the size of your batterys gas tank , not the size of it's engine (voltage rating)... Higher mah = larger gas tank.... higher voltage= more horsepower".

and also...

"Yes, make sure you use a 3.0v charger for RCR123a 3.0v batteries or else!

If you use a 18650 battery you would have to use a 3.7v charger. Regardless only of Mah, not of voltage. Voltage is the key thing. But I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as a 3.0v 18650 battery, only 3.7

Now......when you get your charger..........let's say you use the 18650 batts.......the voltage output on the back of the charger will read 4.2V but that is normal all 3.7 volt batts have to charge at that voltage to get a charge into them. 3.7v means that that is the average voltage they produce over the course of use before they need to be charged again".

Steve is supplying the Prodigy with a universal charger for both, 18650 and rcr123a. I'm sure he did his research and HOPEFULLY we are not at risk of blowing up, lol.

 

[rsngfrce]

This may be where PureSmoker is getting their batteries, at least judging by the pictures...

Rechargeable Batteries & Battery Chargers - TL-100 Universal Li-Ion Charger for 18650, RCR123A cells

 

[hanover fist]

The Janty Stick and the prodigy e cigs will use a 3.7 volt Lithium Batteries like the e-cigar and the Kiss box pass-through icr10440 360 mAh or 2 x 18650 Lith-Ion Batteries (Rated at 3.7v - 2200mAh) and 4 x RCR123a Lith-Ion Batteries (Rated at 3.0v - 750mAh) just make sure you don’t use a charger that is not made for them so they will not over charge I don’t think the 3V battery like the surefire will be strong enough for the Prodigy http://www.surefire.com/12-Pack-Batteries


Bob

 

[wv2win]

I use these 1000 mAh 123's for the SD and they do great thus should work fine with the Prodigy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/CR123-CR123A-12...h=item160324434375&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262

 

[Sun Vaporer]

There simply is no need to order from Deal Extreme--I get all of my batteries right here in the US from Battery Junction--very quick shipping and they sell protected ones as well. As for if this statement:

"18650 batts don't seem to be so finicky. Although I have read that the 3000mah batt won't produce enough power?"

The 18650 has more then enough power to fire up any atomizer--the real issue is will it fit in this device--not will it work---Sun

See Li-Ion Rechargeable Batteries

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I'm sticking with what I ordered from Deal Extreme. I think they will work. If they don't, well I'll have a charger and I'll just get 2 more batteries. It's not the end of the world. I would love for the 3000 mAh to work. I wouldn't have to charge the thing for 3 days. lol So I guess I WILL be the guinie pig. And if they work, which I personally think they will, that will be exactly what I wanted with long battery life.

 

[vaporize me]

Here's another quote... Are all of these opinions or are they facts?

"I posted a link for an ultrafire 18650 3000mah battery earlier. This battery may not be a winner, I was looking this morning and the site states that the battery has a max discharge rate of .5ma. From all of he discussion on the boards over the last few months a discharge rate of 1ma/1000mah is the minimum. link

This one in my opinion is much better, a max discharge rate of 1.5ma/1500mah. Besides the fact that I prefer Tenergy to Ultrafire. It has a smaller capacity at 2600 mah. Read up on the specs of each battery, especially the minimum capacitys".

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I think most are just opinions. Opinions on batteries, opinions on brands, opinions on DE, etc. I think this is why so many people get confused and frustrated. I say make a decision, do what you feel is right, worse case scenario they don't work out, not the end of the world. Personally, I think as long as you have the right battery and voltage, then just get the mAh you want, and most will probably work. The same battery can't be ALL that different from others.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

The 18650 WILL work without a doubt--that is not the issue--the issue is will it fit!!!!!

Here are the specs on the 18650 (always buy the Protected ones!!!)

Ultrafire BRC 18650 3000mAh 3.7v Lithium-Ion Battery

Ultrafire 18650 Protected Rechargeable Lithium Battery

Detailed Description:

Protected 18650 3000mAh rechargeable 3.6 volt battery - charge with the Ultrafire Multi-Battery charger.

The advantage of this cell is that it features a button top making it particularly compatible with many flashlight applications.

Rechargeable Lithium batteries are rapidly becoming a very economical way to lower the operating costs of Lithium-Powered flashlights. We offer a number of different options in order to meet any rechargeable needs. These are Protected batteries.

These fully protected cells simplify usage with their integrated PCB. Perfect for your single cell application these cells are not for pack building as doing so will defeat the PCB protection which is matched to the correct voltage on a single cell. If you are building a pack please choose one of our other cells and the appropriate PCB.
Features and Benefits

• Unique and New! With integrated PCB Protection!
• Lithium Ion 18650 cylindrical rechargeable batteries
• Internal PCB protection prevents under-voltage at 2.5V and over-voltage at 4.25V.
• Unique PCB design and patent pending.
• Higher energy density and lower weight than other types rechargeable batteries
• Manufactured under ISO9001-2000 to assure quality
• Battery tested based on International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) standard to ensure capacity, quality and life time
• Lighting or other device needing 3.7V power
• Building portable power device needing high energy density and low weight

Product Specifications

• Capacity: Nominal&: 3000mAh, Minimum: 2450 mAh
• Internal PCB protection prevents under-voltage at 2.5V and over-voltage at 4.25V. UNIQUE INTERNAL PCB!
• Dimensions:
  Diameter 18+/-0.2 mm
  Height 66.5+/- 0.2mm
• Weight (Typical) Approx. 46 g yes
• Nominal Voltage: Average 3.7V
• Cut-off Voltage: 2.5V
• Internal Impedance: less or equal to 180 milliohm (with PTC)
• Cycle Performance: 90% of initial capacity at 400 cycles
• Cycle life: > 500 cycles
• Charge: Current = 0.5C mA Voltage = 4.2 V End Current = 0.01 mA
• Discharge: Current = 0.5C mA End Voltage = 3.0V
  
  NOTE: Use special caution when working with Li-ion cells, they are very sensitive to charging characteristics and may explode or burn if mishandled. Make sure the user has enough knowledge of Li-Ion rechargeable batteries in charging, discharging and assembly before use. Always charge in/on a fire-proof surface. Never leave charging batteries unattended. We are not responsible for damage if there is any modification of the batteries/chargers in any form or shape (including pack making). We are not responsible for any damage caused by misuse or mishandling of Li-Ion batteries and chargers. We only recommend using Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries with a control circuit (protection PCB) to assure safe charge, discharge, etc, use of lithium ion batteries with a protection circuit is potentially hazardous

 

[rsngfrce]

I notice that some 18650 batteries have a button top, but the one PureSmoker is selling does not... is a button top to be avoided (size-wise or otherwise) or does it matter?

 

[LuckySevens4U]

We shall see in about 3 weeks if it will fit. LOL

 

[youfillintheblank]

Ummmm.....you may want to check with him. The RCR123 batts he is supplying are 3.0v the 18650 batteries he is suppying are 3.7v. Now, there are out there 3.7v RCR123 as well....that's what the Screwdriver uses, different beast altogther. If you were to use 2 3.7v RCR123, that's quite a bit more voltage than 3.0v when you put 2 of em together, I'm sure the Prodigy unit can handle it, but not your atomizers. Not for very long anyways.

I have seen a charger that only fits RCR123s that you can switch between 3.0v and 3.7 depending on what batteries you use, I do not think a truly universal charger exists for both 18650 and RCR123 that switches between 3.0 and 3.7. I would suspect he is supplying a different charger for each setup. If you were to put 3.0v RCR123 in a 3.7v charger............ummmm....fire.....sparks.....smoke.......possibly. I have seen 3.0v batts RCR123 on dealextreme...3 different kinds, as well as the correct chargers for them

to further add to your confusion, and for my own amusement..RCR123 are also known as 16340 and/or 17335 depending on their specific dimensions.

Enjoy!!!

EDIT: I just noticed he has the charger on his site.....now I'm a little concerned. It does not mention that the charger will charge at either 3.0v or 3.7v................someone needs to check with Steve about this....I don't know if that charger can be switched between 3.0v and 3.7v, it does not say so on the description

Steve is supplying the Prodigy with a universal charger for both, 18650 and rcr123a. I'm sure he did his research and HOPEFULLY we are not at risk of blowing up, lol.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I notice that some 18650 batteries have a button top, but the one PureSmoker is selling does not... is a button top to be avoided (size-wise or otherwise) or does it matter?

The "Top Button" is to replecate the typical fitting of a battery like that of an AA or AAA type fittings (although the 18650 is larger then the AA or AAA) on many devices. Only Steve could tell you if his device needs this type or is fit for the flatter to positive terminal-------Sun

 

[hanover fist]

Checked pure smoker’s page ouch!! $10.00 for a battery!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-o

 

[wv2win]

Checked pure smoker’s page ouch!! $10.00 for a battery!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-o

I figure he is getting them for about $5 each but that's why he's a retailer. He is only $1.05 more expexnsive than this online store:

Li-Ion 18650 3.7V 2600mAh rechargeable battery FULLY PROTECTED with PCB Lithium Ion

 

[THICKFOG]

The dsd charger i have from dx will charge the 16340, 18650, and 17670..charger supplies 5.5v/450ma..works great and was cheap too. I use the soshine rcr li-ion batteries

 

[vaporize me]

So what is the verdict? Don't charge rcr123a 3.0v in a 3.7v charger...there is an rcr123a charger which is switchable from 3.0v to 3.7v...no universal charger for both 18650 3.7v and rcr123a 3.0v...and the verdict is not out yet on the 18650 3000mah batt.

I also read somewhere that a particular rcr123a 3.0v 750mah and charger were dedicated and not to be used with other rcr123a 3.0v batts.

I understand the voltage differences in batts but shouldn't the proper voltage rated charger be able to charge the batt. regardless of the mah?

Walrus had also posted a link to an unprotected rcr123a 3.0v 1000mah... Would anybody recommend using that or stay away from unprotected batts?