Acetyl Pyrazine

[Cyrus Vap]

Leo I haven't yet, though I've been thinking about it

Please let us know how it goes

My guess is the RY4 would be a great one to try with this. Maybe the 555 too.

I have a hunch the TMP might work better with real cig and VFC than the acetyl pyrazine. Just because they are more dry and robust on the tobacco side. Though th funny thing is both AP and TMP seem to be affected quite a bit but what you add them too, might give interesting results.

I remember I added AP to a cigar extraction and it ruined it, I got straight up fritos, no lie. But with the RY double I get graham cracker.

 

[juicefreak]

thx for the tip (i forget who) on TP turning acetone if used to much. I have it on order with linda along with TMP looking for the missing link in what i want flavor wise.

I suspect that is what's happening with TpA's RY4 double and my 2 full bottles of DK tobacco base from her. They all turned to a nasty acetone smell/taste, so rather than buying them in the future, i'll go with individual ingreds. Preferably crystals when i can find them.

i've been using her AP 10% solution. Figured double for my $$ and i mix it down in 3ml bottles and then 1 drop usually per 10ml. Perfumers Apprentice - Acetyl Pyrazine @ 10% (Sig) (2-acetyl pyrazine) Have had zero problems with it mixing it down. A little goes a long way for me as i'm going for hint of tobacco (ie: ecopure hint)

Along with Rasberry Keytone crystals, EM crystals, double chocolate clear and a few others, can get a better RY4 than i've found at vendors. More CONSISTENT anyway!! i'm done wasting my $$ on juices that change with no warning from vendors. Not their fault, but depends on the batch they get from china.

has anyone tried this tobacco molecule? Perfumers Apprentice - Methylbutyraldehyde 1% (PG)

taste description: Musty and rummy, with nutty and cereal notes - caramel and fruity undernotes

sounds like everything i'm looking for in flavor in one chemical. I didn't see it listed on any msds sheets from china manufacturers so i declined

BTW ExceLLenT thread! i don't read many posts, but this one is is a keeper

 

[juicefreak]

I'm using AP to great effect undiluted. The only 'molecule' I have so far that may benefit from dilution is trimethyl pyrazine, too much and all you taste is acetone. Haven't found the right amount yet

but 5 drops of AP in 5 mls works wonders for me

YMMV, I go heavy on the VG

That was you with that tip! THANK YOU!! good point about VG too. I read your 5 drops of AP in 5ml and did a holy ....! lol. VG explains it. I only add a little VG for vapor, but when juice is too strong, VG is like EM to tame it back down

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Funny I remember posting that, but now 1-2/5ml seems to work for me. LOL. Maybe my buds are 'maturing'

 

[juicefreak]

Funny I remember posting that, but now 1-2/5ml seems to work for me. LOL. Maybe my buds are 'maturing'

yeah some days AP can overpower my juice. i can't wait to get my new molecules. Got some vanillin crystals also that i'll mix in. i'm so close to what i want already, but if the new ones give it a kick in the right direction i'll be very pleased

 

[juicefreak]

Cyrus Vap I got my TMP, TP and vanillin crystals today. they all smell kinda funk in molecule form. I'm soaking some 2ml TPA bottles in baking soda that had tobacco accord and a few others in them. do you have an equation for mixing down the 10% TP and TMP or do you just use the little pipettes she send for your drops straight 10%? I know most lab recipes from dekang use .03% of the stuff, so i can't imagine it takes much.

the vanillin crystals smell like most diluted vanilla smells = perfumey. going to be tricky with that one too. i've had enough funk tastes vaping to last me a lifetime lol. i'm paranoid about the funk!!

 

[juicefreak]

The TP and TMP = I cut to about 2% in a 2ml glass bottle from PA and used the tiny pipette she sends to add 2 drops to my mix. mixed up my usual in addition to a couple drops of tobacco M and it's pretty tasty! no funk. The vanillin crystals are a diff story. i cut some in PG with tobacco M and EM. will see if it turns to vanilla and loses the perfume funk. i can't stand perfume juice.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Good stuff juice!

I've never diluted any of the 'molecules' down actually, but I think either way it can work. I just pipette them out and drop

I'm getting lost on the abbreviations TMP is trimethyl pyrazine right? TP is ?

I've actually never worked with vanillin crystals directly, interested to see what you find

 

[Leothwyn]

The TP and TMP = I cut to about 2% in a 2ml glass bottle from PA and used the tiny pipette she sends to add 2 drops to my mix. mixed up my usual in addition to a couple drops of tobacco M and it's pretty tasty! no funk. The vanillin crystals are a diff story. i cut some in PG with tobacco M and EM. will see if it turns to vanilla and loses the perfume funk. i can't stand perfume juice.

I like the vanillin crystals... I diluted mine in PG at 10%, then I think I tried that at 4%. OK, but far from perfect. There is a bit of the perfumy/artificial taste, but there's also some part of the vanilla flavor that I was looking for. I found that the vanillin mixed with FA vanilla tahity was good. I've settled on those two with a little of a creamier type of vanilla - I used CAP fr. van., but I think any other creamy one would do (TPA van bean ice cream, CAP van. custard, etc..). I think I may have used some EM too (?). (Once I settled on the recipe, I mixed up a big bottle for adding with tobaccos in my carto tank, so it's been a while now since I looked at my recipe.)

 

[juicefreak]

Good stuff juice!

I've never diluted any of the 'molecules' down actually, but I think either way it can work. I just pipette them out and drop

I'm getting lost on the abbreviations TMP is trimethyl pyrazine right? TP is ?

I've actually never worked with vanillin crystals directly, interested to see what you find

sorry about that. i get them confused too.

TP = Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG)

TMP = Tetramethylpyrazine 10%

i guess tri and tetra would be easier for me to keep them straight. mixed down they are strong enough for me. those little pipettes are handy for small drops. i've just been filing them away since linda quit using the little glass droppers and never thought to use them before ;-) very cool for a little goes a long way flavors!

Leothwyn, how long did you have to let it sit before it tasted vanilla? I got the Ethyl Vanillin Crystals, because they said strong vanilla, so i'm hoping they will eventually get more than a perfume aroma. Vanilla is so hard to get non-perfumed. I'm thinking of soaking a vanilla bean in some PG if this doesn't work.

 

[juicefreak]

Leothwyn, i have an old bottle of linda's bavarian creme and it's a great vanilla substitute. it never turned to perfume on me

 

[Str8V8ping]

sorry about that. i get them confused too.

TP = Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG)

TMP = Tetramethylpyrazine 10%

i guess tri and tetra would be easier for me to keep them straight. mixed down they are strong enough for me. those little pipettes are handy for small drops. i've just been filing them away since linda quit using the little glass droppers and never thought to use them before ;-) very cool for a little goes a long way flavors!

Leothwyn, how long did you have to let it sit before it tasted vanilla? I got the Ethyl Vanillin Crystals, because they said strong vanilla, so i'm hoping they will eventually get more than a perfume aroma. Vanilla is so hard to get non-perfumed. I'm thinking of soaking a vanilla bean in some PG if this doesn't work.

I dont get perfume from vanillin. I do from other tpa flavors but vanillin is great. Its not a vanilla exactly. It tastes like buttercream icing. vanillin should be at 10% .Most molecules like AP need to be diluted down to a very minute amount or it doesnt work well. The less you use with AP the better is works. I think the best i got with AP was 4 drops in a 6ml bottle filled with PG and then use 1-2 drops of that in your juice. Its not meant for using straight drops of it without diluting. Im not sure thats even safe since it says not to go over 10 parts per million. Molecules are what is used to make a flavoring so its incredibly concentrated. 1 3ml bottle of it would probably make several gallons of flavoring

 

[Leothwyn]

Leothwyn, how long did you have to let it sit before it tasted vanilla? I got the Ethyl Vanillin Crystals, because they said strong vanilla, so i'm hoping they will eventually get more than a perfume aroma. Vanilla is so hard to get non-perfumed. I'm thinking of soaking a vanilla bean in some PG if this doesn't work.

Unfortunately, you might want to start dusting that vanilla bean off. I don't remember it changing much. I liked the flavor from the start, though there was something a bit artificial to it, and that's about where it stands now after being mixed many weeks ago. I don't use it alone, or even alone as the vanilla aspect of a recipe. I mix it with other vanillas for a straight vanilla vape, or use it along with some other vanilla in a recipe.

The less you use with AP the better is works. I think the best i got with AP was 4 drops in a 6ml bottle filled with PG and then use 1-2 drops of that in your juice. Its not meant for using straight drops of it without diluting. Im not sure thats even safe since it says not to go over 10 parts per million. Molecules are what is used to make a flavoring so its incredibly concentrated. 1 3ml bottle of it would probably make several gallons of flavoring

That was why I started the thread... I don't get anything from it when diluted that much. Then I saw how much some people were using here, and how much is found in some chinese juices (way, way over 10ppm), and I started the thread. I still haven't settled on an amount to use (too many other new flavors distracting me), but it definitely is a lot more than the standard dilution given (4dr/6ml).

 

[juicefreak]

I dont get perfume from vanillin. I do from other tpa flavors but vanillin is great. Its not a vanilla exactly. It tastes like buttercream icing. vanillin should be at 10% .Most molecules like AP need to be diluted down to a very minute amount or it doesnt work well. The less you use with AP the better is works. I think the best i got with AP was 4 drops in a 6ml bottle filled with PG and then use 1-2 drops of that in your juice. Its not meant for using straight drops of it without diluting. Im not sure thats even safe since it says not to go over 10 parts per million. Molecules are what is used to make a flavoring so its incredibly concentrated. 1 3ml bottle of it would probably make several gallons of flavoring

thx Str8. i'll mix the crystals @10% and see what happens. I mix down my AP also, otherwise it overpowers the juice. Like you i use a couple drops, actually mixed down in a 3ml bottle with pg. i'm always looking for hints of flavors that blend well together for an overall gourmet blend for my taste buds. When i smell perfume i can't handle it. I'll do the 10% crystals and see what happens.

Leothwyn, thank you for the tip on mixing the vanillin with other vanilla flavors. i was looking to replace other vanillas, because i haven't found them consistent from batch to batch and figured the crystals would be the purer way to go, batching it up as needed. Guess that won't work if i still get perfume at 10%. What i could do is try to beat back the perfume with some other molecules to see if it brings out the vanilla. If not, it's cheap enough to chuck them. I'll try that and try it with bavarian creme that i have also.

appreciate all the tips!

 

[Leothwyn]

Oh, well maybe it's not time to get out the vanilla bean. I assumed that you had it diluted at 10%. Hopefully that'll do the trick for you.

 

[YorkieGirl1]

My AP says its already diluted. I got it from TPA/TFA. I only use it in one recipe so far, but need a few drops for it to work.

 

[Str8V8ping]

My AP says its already diluted. I got it from TPA/TFA. I only use it in one recipe so far, but need a few drops for it to work.

AP doesnt come prediluted,Its a molecule not flavoring.It is in liquid form but not diluted .

 

[kazz63758]

AP doesnt come prediluted,Its a molecule not flavoring.It is in liquid form but not diluted .

Then do you know what the 10% means? I assumed it was 10% of AP in some type of solution/carrier. Isn't that the same thing as diluted?

I know in medicine 5%,10%, etc. Means that is how many grams of a med is diluted in 100ml of solution. ie, 2% Lidocaine means 2 grams of lidocaine in every 100ml of liquid.

Any idea of how this differs in flavorings, molecules used in vaping?

 

[Leothwyn]

Then do you know what the 10% means? I assumed it was 10% of AP in some type of solution/carrier. Isn't that the same thing as diluted?

Yeah, that's what I assumed too (and still do).
... just checked their site. The name of the product is Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG). Sounds like 5% AP in PG to me.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

That was my assumption too.

I vaguely remember Linda emphasizing on the phone to me that the ppm 'recommendations' were not only vague but specifically about the undiluted, uncut compound wrt to perfumery, but it was a little while ago and the medical profession has turned me senile at 32