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Good thread.
It's been over 5 months since anyone posted here, so I'll mention my findings at this point re AP. When I received my bottle of AP from WL a few weeks ago, I opened and sniffed and Holy *%# what a stench
LOL. Then, quickly, I made a diluted batch by putting .5 ml in a 10 ml bottle of my nic base and let it sit awhile. Today I opened my bottle of the diluted AP and sniffed. It's smells like a combination of a freshly opened bag of Fritos mixed with roasted peanut shells! Now I'm wondering why did I buy this stuff? I eat Fritos and peanuts occasionally, but judging by the smell I don't think I want to vape it now that I have it. Oh heck, I'll put a few drops in my atty and vape it for the sake of experimentation....
Nope. It's not doing it for me LOL. I guess I'll have to add vanilla or carmel to it and see what those flavors become.
Are you all adding AP mainly to your tobacco flavors? Bakery flavors? or what?
It's been over 5 months since anyone posted here, so I'll mention my findings at this point re AP. When I received my bottle of AP from WL a few weeks ago, I opened and sniffed and Holy *%# what a stench
LOL. Then, quickly, I made a diluted batch by putting .5 ml in a 10 ml bottle of my nic base and let it sit awhile. Today I opened my bottle of the diluted AP and sniffed. It's smells like a combination of a freshly opened bag of Fritos mixed with roasted peanut shells! Now I'm wondering why did I buy this stuff? I eat Fritos and peanuts occasionally, but judging by the smell I don't think I want to vape it now that I have it. Oh heck, I'll put a few drops in my atty and vape it for the sake of experimentation....Nope. It's not doing it for me LOL. I guess I'll have to add vanilla or carmel to it and see what those flavors become.
Are you all adding AP mainly to your tobacco flavors? Bakery flavors? or what?
I like adding it to plain tobacco flavors like seven leaves, shade, perique etc. I don't particularly care for it in blended tobaccos like Black & Mild, RY4's and the like.
I don't vape sweet flavors, so I can't say what it is like in them. Good Luck with your search for the perfect vape!
I don't vape sweet flavors, so I can't say what it is like in them. Good Luck with your search for the perfect vape!
Hey searching4answers. CyrusVap's recommendation of 1-2 drops/5ml of juice works for me. Anything less than that & I don't get anything from it. That's straight 5%AP, no further dilution necessary.
Think of it as a spice to be added sparingly to your mixes to give 'em a nutty, roasted nuance. Can't see it being too pleasant vaped on its own
Works well with a lot of tobaccos & other flavors. Nice with menthol as well.
Best thing to do, try a drop or 2 in 5ml of a simple tobacco or menthol & see what it adds to the flavor profile.
Once you learn how it tastes (or more accurately the twang it gives to mixes) you'll know what flavors you'd like to try it in.
Think of it as a spice to be added sparingly to your mixes to give 'em a nutty, roasted nuance. Can't see it being too pleasant vaped on its own
Works well with a lot of tobaccos & other flavors. Nice with menthol as well.
Best thing to do, try a drop or 2 in 5ml of a simple tobacco or menthol & see what it adds to the flavor profile.
Once you learn how it tastes (or more accurately the twang it gives to mixes) you'll know what flavors you'd like to try it in.
LMAO
This pretty much sums up my feelings on AP.
After smelling it, I coughed it was so strong. It smells like CORN.
Kind of like a barn/gamey.
How can anyone like this flavor?!?!!?
It can be horrid
If you smell it straight, or add it to the 'wrong' flavor, you will get straight up FRITOS, e.g. corn chips, corn
When you get it in the right mix, you get a rich graham cracker, bready kind of vibe
The wrong flavors for me have usually been drier tobaccos, the right flavors are usually RY4, caramel, etc things like that
If you've ever had a kettle corn vape there's probably a lot of AP in it. I taste AP in TPA molasses and graham cracker actually, the latter comes off like kettle corn before steeping (only had both for a day or two but thought i'd mention it)
If you smell it straight, or add it to the 'wrong' flavor, you will get straight up FRITOS, e.g. corn chips, corn
When you get it in the right mix, you get a rich graham cracker, bready kind of vibe
The wrong flavors for me have usually been drier tobaccos, the right flavors are usually RY4, caramel, etc things like that
If you've ever had a kettle corn vape there's probably a lot of AP in it. I taste AP in TPA molasses and graham cracker actually, the latter comes off like kettle corn before steeping (only had both for a day or two but thought i'd mention it)
I put a little to much in a mix and it gave the mix a chemical taste, lesson learned, go very easy with this stuff.
EDIT Ooops, my bad. They say 10 ppm not 10000 ppm.
That figure is on the basis of neat (pure) Acetyl pyrazine. 10 ppm neat AP is 0.001%. The AP I get is cut to 5%. Assuming 20 drops to a mL, 1 drop of undiluted AP flavor per mL juice is 1/20, or .05 mL AP flavor per mL of juice. But you are getting flavour, not pure (neat) AP. It's cut when you get it, usually to 5%.
At 5% that is .05 Neat AP times .05 AP solution to 1 mL juice (1 AP solution drop per mL ~ 20 drops = .0025 neat AP per mL of juice. That is 2500 ppm neat AP, or 0.25% neat AP in your mix if you are adding a full drop per mL juice of the uncut liquid that is in fact sold to you already cut to 5% ( maybe 10% from some vendors).
I use 1 drop "uncut" AP (mine is the typical 5% stuff) per 3 mL all the time with no ill effects, that is 833 ppm.
Robert
That figure is on the basis of neat (pure) Acetyl pyrazine. 10 ppm neat AP is 0.001%. The AP I get is cut to 5%. Assuming 20 drops to a mL, 1 drop of undiluted AP flavor per mL juice is 1/20, or .05 mL AP flavor per mL of juice. But you are getting flavour, not pure (neat) AP. It's cut when you get it, usually to 5%.
At 5% that is .05 Neat AP times .05 AP solution to 1 mL juice (1 AP solution drop per mL ~ 20 drops = .0025 neat AP per mL of juice. That is 2500 ppm neat AP, or 0.25% neat AP in your mix if you are adding a full drop per mL juice of the uncut liquid that is in fact sold to you already cut to 5% ( maybe 10% from some vendors).
I use 1 drop "uncut" AP (mine is the typical 5% stuff) per 3 mL all the time with no ill effects, that is 833 ppm.
Robert
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According to one study human intake from natural sources is average of 540mg/day. That is a half a gram. The LD50, when they shove the .... down your throat assuming you are a rat is >3000 mg/Kg. I'm a rat. I weigh about 90 kilos, so if 100 of us rats that weight the same all each eat >270 gms of the pure stuff (> = just how much more?) at once, maybe 50 or so of us will get out alive.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
The stuff vaporizes at 78C, how much are you even getting out of an e-cig?
The FDA does not have a maximum allowed amount. The EU has 5 ppm. OK. So you know who makes those determinations? Politicians.
Some things are real concerns. All the major antibiotics are more or less medically useless now. Growth hormones - I go out and I'm admiring some bird and I have to go home and take a shower because she has .... and ... for days then I hear her speak and realize she's only 12 years old.
Food additives in general though, and all these vape compounds? I would not sweat it, myself. Everyone should make their own choices, but let's face it, it beats analogs all day and all night. That does not mean vaping, even no-nic vaping is by any means good for you. I would never recommend it to anyone not already addicted to analogs, we were born by nature to breath air. Period. If you are worried about acetyl pyrazine, I would say you should really stop worrying about ppm and quit vaping completely.
My personal opinion is that all the stuff in e-cigs is at most a dingleberry on the ... of all the stuff you are gonna inhale over your lifetime from living near autos, riding in autos, putting petrol in autos. Exhaust, tires - tires are really nasty, ever wonder where the tread goes? It does not vanish into thin air, but the air part is right, you suck that and a bunch of other ..... in every time you ride in a buggy or walk down the street.
But this is all sheerly just my opinion. Never take advice from anyone on the internet. ;-)
According to one study human intake from natural sources is average of 540mg/day. That is a half a gram. The LD50, when they shove the .... down your throat assuming you are a rat is >3000 mg/Kg. I'm a rat. I weigh about 90 kilos, so if 100 of us rats that weight the same all each eat >270 gms of the pure stuff (> = just how much more?) at once, maybe 50 or so of us will get out alive.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
The stuff vaporizes at 78C, how much are you even getting out of an e-cig?
The FDA does not have a maximum allowed amount. The EU has 5 ppm. OK. So you know who makes those determinations? Politicians.
Some things are real concerns. All the major antibiotics are more or less medically useless now. Growth hormones - I go out and I'm admiring some bird and I have to go home and take a shower because she has .... and ... for days then I hear her speak and realize she's only 12 years old.
Food additives in general though, and all these vape compounds? I would not sweat it, myself. Everyone should make their own choices, but let's face it, it beats analogs all day and all night. That does not mean vaping, even no-nic vaping is by any means good for you. I would never recommend it to anyone not already addicted to analogs, we were born by nature to breath air. Period. If you are worried about acetyl pyrazine, I would say you should really stop worrying about ppm and quit vaping completely.
My personal opinion is that all the stuff in e-cigs is at most a dingleberry on the ... of all the stuff you are gonna inhale over your lifetime from living near autos, riding in autos, putting petrol in autos. Exhaust, tires - tires are really nasty, ever wonder where the tread goes? It does not vanish into thin air, but the air part is right, you suck that and a bunch of other ..... in every time you ride in a buggy or walk down the street.
But this is all sheerly just my opinion. Never take advice from anyone on the internet. ;-)
Ok so found this thread just now. I have made some DIY juice with AP 5% i got from wizard labs. I thought of it as a base for a bread flavor such as making banana nut bread juice and pb sandwich juice. Well little did I know not to use too much.
The banana nut bread is one of my friends favorites unfortunately I used like 5% in it. Thats 0.5 ML of this stuff for 10ML bottle. The flavor is wonderful and you get a very noticeable nutty bread flavoring.
On a strawberry and peanut butter juice I used like 8% in a 10ML bottle to get the pb and j type taste with the bread. I have asked them to stop vaping those juices as I gave it to them to try out. Until I find out more about this stuff.
I noticed a few days ago that my AP has this stuff in it that looks like ICE. I figured its cold in the house and its the only juice that has floaties in it once it warmed up by sitting on my desk they kinda melt and mix back in with the PG. Has anyone else seen this happen with their AP?
Thank you for any responses to this
The banana nut bread is one of my friends favorites unfortunately I used like 5% in it. Thats 0.5 ML of this stuff for 10ML bottle. The flavor is wonderful and you get a very noticeable nutty bread flavoring.
On a strawberry and peanut butter juice I used like 8% in a 10ML bottle to get the pb and j type taste with the bread. I have asked them to stop vaping those juices as I gave it to them to try out. Until I find out more about this stuff.
I noticed a few days ago that my AP has this stuff in it that looks like ICE. I figured its cold in the house and its the only juice that has floaties in it once it warmed up by sitting on my desk they kinda melt and mix back in with the PG. Has anyone else seen this happen with their AP?
Thank you for any responses to this
No I've never had floaties in any of my flavors or liquids. How cold did your AP get? Was it shipped during freezing weather? I've heard that freezing some flavors is not a good idea, but that freezing nicotine bases is OK, just not flavors. You could contact WL and see if they ever heard of it.
I'll be curious if anyone else heard of it. Hopefully someone will chime in to help you out Ebne08.
I'll be curious if anyone else heard of it. Hopefully someone will chime in to help you out Ebne08.
No I've never had floaties in any of my flavors or liquids. How cold did your AP get? Was it shipped during freezing weather? I've heard that freezing some flavors is not a good idea, but that freezing nicotine bases is OK, just not flavors. You could contact WL and see if they ever heard of it.
I'll be curious if anyone else heard of it. Hopefully someone will chime in to help you out Ebne08.
no the strange thing is None of my other juice flavorings have gotten frozen looking particles in it and I dont actually think it got frozen, just the particals in the pg seem to have separated. I for sure will call WL when they are back open.
Mixed 10 mls of:
M-Type 5%
AP-2%
Toasted Almond-10%
add sweetener to your taste
At first may seem a little strong but after a few days, it blends into one of the best tobacco vapes I've had!
M-Type 5%
AP-2%
Toasted Almond-10%
add sweetener to your taste
At first may seem a little strong but after a few days, it blends into one of the best tobacco vapes I've had!
Yes, Ebne08, there are many things that will have floaties. They usually tell you to gently warm the solution and the floaties will just melt back into solution.
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