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  1. jtbje

    jtbje Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2019
    Texas Hill Country
    I was given this bottle of 0mg juice from a vape shop for free. I have liquid nic and I want to put some of the juice in a 30mg bottle and add enough nic to make 12 or 18 strength. (Trying to ditch the last pesky cigs, kind folks here suggested upping my nic from 6)

    Does anyone have math skills better than mine to figure this out?

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  2. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    Lacking good math skills myself I generally use a vape calculator app. You do need to know the strength of the liquid nic you got whichever way you do it.

    Doing it the hard way though, you’ve got 30ml of liquid and you want 12-18mg of nic in each of those mls. That’s a total of 360-540mgs of nic that needs to go into those 30mls
     
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  3. Heartsdelight

    Heartsdelight Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2015
    Once you find out the strength of your nicotine use this or any other eliquid calculator.
    E-liquid.recipes
     
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  4. score69

    score69 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 28, 2015
    Athens, GA, USA
    Yep, I use the calculator that @Heartsdelight mentioned as well. I just mix unflavored in various strengths and VG/PG ratios, so I don't need an extravagant calculator.

    I bumped up a bottle of 120ml of 3mg juice to 6mg for a friend this weekend. I didn't even bother with the calculator for that. Just knew I needed another 360mg of nic in the bottle. (3mg more x 120ml). So I mixed in another 3.6ml of 100mg/ml nic juice. Not exact (actually comes out to like 5.8mg/ml since I added 3.6ml volume), but it's close enough.
     
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  5. jandrew

    jandrew Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    Winnipeg
    Looking at your picture, you have 0mg/ml juice and 100mg/ml nicotine to start with.

    To make 30ml of 12mg/ml: 26.4ml of 0mg/ml + 3.6ml of 100mg/ml
    To make 30ml of 18mg/ml: 24.6ml of 0mg/ml + 5.4ml of 100mg/ml
     
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  6. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Since the mg/ml level you are seeking is a Ballpark range, I'll give you a Ballpark way of doing it.

    If you had 30ml of 15mg/ml e-Liquid, you would have a Bottle with 450mg of Total Nicotine in it.

    => 30ml x 15mg/ml = 450mg of Total Nicotine. So let use 450mg as the Starting amount of Nicotine to add.

    Since every Milliliter of your 100mg/ml Nicotine contains 100mg of Nicotine, to add 450mg of Nicotine I would need to add 4.5ml's of the Nicotine Base.

    So Let's do that and see what happens...

    I now have a Bottle with a Total Volume of 34.5ml's (30ml + 4.5ml) which has a Total Nicotine of 450mg.

    mg/ml of Nicotine = Total Nicotine divided by Total Volume in Milliliters

    => 450 / 34.5 = 13.04mg/ml

    So it sounds like we are coming up a Tad Low. Lets try adding 6ml of the 100mg/ml Nicotine Base for a Total of 600mg's of Nicotine.

    => 600 / 36 =16.67mg/ml

    That sounds Groovy.

    So if you took your 30ml Bottle of 0mg/ml e-Liquid and added 6ml's of 100mg/ml Nicotine Base you would end up with 36ml's of 16.67mg/ml e-Liquid
     
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  7. AttyPops

    AttyPops Yeah, I type stuff. ECF Veteran

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    :lol:

    I keep telling people..."You don't want to know how I mix mine"...but then I tell them how I do it! :facepalm:

    So if I want about 10mg/ml nic, and I'm using 100mg/ml nic base, I know that I need to cut that down to 1/10th strength.

    So I pour what looks like about 1/10 the bottle volume of nic base into the bottle, then top it off with what looks like the remaining 9/10ths of the bottle volume** with the cut solution. Shake the hell out of it, and vape it. If I think it's too weak or too strong, I adjust it, but I'm OK with it 99% of the time.

    If I want 20 mg/ml, I just start with double the nic base.

    I have a syringe and a "tube" with measurements around here somewhere collecting dust....

    You know, I don't think they made cigs that had an accurate amount of nic in them, they varied slightly per cig. In later years, they reformulated and made them more uniform, but...this isn't rocket science. Just use your brain when playing with 100mg and don't get stupid.

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    ** accounting for leaving an air bubble for shaking.
     
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  8. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    This is pretty close to how I do it. I’ve got a beaker I use to measure the nic base but it’s not what you’d call particularly accurate
     
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  9. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
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  10. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    There are people who pay for juice calculators?
     
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  11. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    BTW - I should Mention that Any Time you add Anything Unflavored to a Flavored e-Liquid the is going to be a Decrease to the Strength of the original flavored e-Liquid.

    How Much and will it be OK for you? No Clue.

    But since you know the Relationship Now of Original Unflavored to the Raised Nicotine of 16.67mg/ml e-Liquid, you could do a Quick n' Dirty Ratio to calculate how to make say a 4ml Tankful to try.

    The Ration in Milliliters of 0mg to 16.67mg/ml was 30ml to 36ml

    So to make a 4ml's tankful of 16.67mg/ml to try, do this...

    => Let: X be the amount of 0mg Flavored e-Liquid
    => Thus: 30/36 = X/4
    => Therefore: X = (30 x 4) / 4
    => Hence: X = 3.33ml

    So if you took 3.3ml of your 0mg Rainbow Road and added .66ml's of your 100mg/ml Nicotine Base, you would have 4ml's of 16.67mg/ml to try.

    If you Like it, Great. Then you could convert the Rest of the 0mg to 16.67mg/ml.
    But if you find it is Weak Sauce and you Don't think you would use it, you could PIF it to someone that might do 0mg.
     
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  12. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Yes, there are a few who have a whole suite of advantages over free ones. They allow storage of recipes, flavorings, etc. But if you are not running a pc with windows you really can't use them. Last time I looked anyway. Do not know if any of them who have added access for those who use apple or run chromebooks.

    there is also a very good free one who does basically the same as some of the paid ones but leave up to the user to donate if they feel it is worth it.


    :)
     
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  13. Brachinus

    Brachinus Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 28, 2009
    Jersey Shore
    If you don't have a graduated cylinder or pipette and you're just eyeballing it, the math is fairly simple for rough calculations:

    Half of 100mg is 50mg (final mixture 1 part 100mg to 1 part 0mg).

    A quarter of 100mg is 25mg (final mixture 1 part 100mg to 3 parts 0mg).

    A fifth of 100mg is 20mg (final mixture 1 part 100mg to 4 parts 0mg).

    An eighth of 100mg is 12.5mg (final mixture 1 part 100mg to 7 parts 0mg).

    The last 2 are pretty close to what you were shooting for.
     
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  14. jtbje

    jtbje Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2019
    Texas Hill Country
    Confused...the numbers!!! The math!! The numbers!!!!!!

    So just to be clear and just so I don’t inadvertently poison myself through this process. Roughly 5-6 ml of nic and roughly 25-24 ml rainbow road would make roughly 16 percent nicotine strength. Right??

    And roughly 3.3 ml rainbow road plus .66 ml nic would make a 4 mg tank full to try 16% strength.

    Sooooo 1.65 rainbow road and .33 nic would make a 2mg tankfull to try 16% strength.

    Am I on the right track?
     
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  15. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    [​IMG]

    LOL
     
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  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Yeah... That All sounds Reasonable.

    :thumb:

    ETA: What you would be Making is NOT 16% Nicotine.

    16% Nicotine is 160mg/ml

    What you would be making is 1.6% Nicotine.

    1.6% Nicotine is 16mg/ml
     
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  17. greek mule

    greek mule Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 2, 2018
    Athens,Greece
    OMG ! Don't die on us!
     
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  18. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    I personally avoid percentages in DIY mixing like the plague. There’s almost always a molarity confusion. For example: the 100mg/ml nic you’re talking about is somewhere around ~10% pure nic.

    The only company that tries to use percentages is JUUL and there is a wide belief that they do it specifically in order to create as much confusion as possible.

    Talk mg or mg/ml. It will make everyone’s life easier.
     
  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Good Catch on the % bombastinator.
     
  20. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    See ETA in Post #16
     
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