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Adding Nic to Juice

Discussion in 'General E-Liquid Discussion' started by Vapemesilly, Oct 22, 2019.

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  1. Vapemesilly

    Vapemesilly Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2017
    Nevada
    I like to vape at 6 mg on some devices and other devices I like to vape at 18 mg. I have lots of 6 mg juice. If I wanted to add nic to some, how would I go about doing it?
     
  2. AvaOrchid

    AvaOrchid Ultra Member

    Sep 19, 2019
    USA
    You may want to check this answer because I am by no means experienced but I would imagine that you would do it the same way that you would do a home mix where the goal was 12 mg. There's calculators that will let you put the desired quantity in milliliters that you wish to have and will tell you how much 100 mg per milliliter nicotine you need to add to it to get your desired Nic level. And since what you already have is 6mg and you're looking to get 18 mg you would do it as though you wanted 12mg e-juice not 18 because otherwise it's going to give you an equivalent of 18 mg on top of your already present 6. Do some research on whether what I just said was correct or not because I don't know about the intricacies but that's how I would personally do it. Of course that involves having nic already if you don't have that I'm not sure how you would do it unless you're planning on getting some nicotine
     
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  3. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    You’re going to have to add at least something to the 6mg juices. There are issues with this because it will by definition weaken the flavor to some extent unless the additive is a higher nic juice of the same flavor. The higher nic the non juice additive the less change there will be.

    One standard method I have seen is small tubes of very high nicotine liquid that can be added to low nic juices to “heat them up”
     
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  4. Vapemesilly

    Vapemesilly Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2017
    Nevada
    I know nothing about nic...I'm a noob about that. Can you elaborate on that?
     
  5. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    Nic concentration is generally measured in mg/ml. Occasionally by percentages.
    There is unprotonated nic and “salt” or protonated nic. There are many different chemicals that are collectively called “salt nic” but they are generally unprotonated nic reacted with some mild acid or another.

    I don’t deal with “salt” nic at all myself. Afaik there is functionally zero research on its safety. Everything below is about traditional unprotonated nic.

    truely pure nic is somewhere near ~1000mg/ml and is very very dangerous. The lower the molarity the easier it is to work with though.
    The highest concentration I generally work with is 100mg/ml. 1/10th pure. The highest I’ve seen generally recommended to actually vape is 24mg/ml. This is quite strong, but not as strong as some protonated mixtures which can be double that.
    Myself I vape 18-20mg/ml Mtl or 5-10mg/ml DL. These numbers are quite unusually high for a long term ecig smoker. Desire for nicotine generally reduces over time.

    The mg/ml number is useful because if you know how many mls of juice you have you also know how many mgs of nicotine you have. To raise a 6mg/ml bottle of juice to 18mg/ml you have to more or less triple the nic content. A 30mlbottle of juice (which is full) at 6mg/ml will have about 180mg of nic in the bottle. That would need to increase to 540mg. What makes things complicated is while that is less than half a ml of pure nic, pure nic is wildly unsafe. Using 100mg/ml liquid it would take the addition of 5.4ml, which is easily enough to overflow the bottle and change the numbers since you don’t have 30ml anymore you have 35.4ml
     
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  6. Anise

    Anise Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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  7. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    I personally suspect he knows full well how to do this stuff and is trying to get it posted so others can see it. It’s all good though.
     
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  8. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Concentrated Nicotine Solution Packets | Liquid Nicotine
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    The tubes are .9ml each and they also sell a 2ml version of the 20%-200mg/ml strength.
    The site has a very useful calculator as well.

    HTH
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  9. Vapemesilly

    Vapemesilly Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2017
    Nevada
    Well, up until about an hour ago, I really did know nothing about it. Been vaping for quite a few years and never taken an interest in DIY.

    After reading the responses I went to a nic site, saw a calculator and how it worked, ran a fictional calculation and had an "Ah...HA!" moment...and now I think I got it.

    I appreciate the responses.
     
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  10. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
  11. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    Cool beans :). “In at the death” at least
     
  12. vapdivrr

    vapdivrr ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 8, 2012
    sarasota,fl
    You mean I cant add 20mls of 6mg juice to a 30ml bottle of 6mg and get 50mls of 12mg juice?
     
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  13. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    You also have a choice of nic in VG, PG or 50/50 ratio of both. As mentioned, anything you add will dilute flavor and also affect VG/PG ratio, so the 100mg/ml stuff would be the best choice. I'm having a brain fart at the moment but just guessing 4 parts of your 6mg juice to 1 part 100mg juice.
     
  14. jandrew

    jandrew Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    Winnipeg
    Of course you can ... and it should last approximately 3.72 times longer than if you vaped each bottle separately (don't ask where I pulled that number from, I don't want to have fetch the formula as well).
     
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  15. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    Hey that website Izan linked to is super cool! Handy calculator and those premeasured bottles are very easy (and safe) to use. I forgot to mention, wear gloves and eye protection! How many bottles of 18mg juice do you need (and how many ml)? If you do get a larger bottle of 100 mg nic, you will need a syringe to measure it (no needle needed)
     
  16. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    BTW, my math was off... use that calculator and remember 100 mg/ml = 10%
     
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