I have two juices from the same vendor that have remarkably different viscosities. The thicker one is amazing in my carto which is very prone to leaking. The other leaks like crazy and floods the coil. I notice that when I pull the thinner one into a syringe with a smaller needle I see a lot of alcohol boiling under the vacuum. Since the water and alcohol will boil off at a full vacuum I'm thinking of sticking the thin juice in my vacuum chamber to thicken it up a bit. Anyone ever hear of this being tried? I'm thinking that part of the normal steeping process is letting the alcohol flavor base evaporate. Has anyone noticed the juices getting thicker after a long steep?
adjusting viscosity with vacuum?
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Well, I bet it would work for some percentage of the "thinness". However, you may need to add some VG. If you're worried about flavor or nic... get some 100% VG juice in similar/same flavor with same nic.
The alcohol would boil off at a lower pressure. However, it's not the only thing that could be thinning the juice. Alcohol would be a small (but significant) percentage... however there could even be some water, or PG. PG is commonly used in the flavorings. Other stuff...who knows.
BTW... steeping is more about letting the flavors combine and mingle. However, alcohol evaporation is probably and interesting part of that steeping process anyway.
Since you have your own vacuum chamber, and I know you're going to do this anyway to have "fun".... let us know how it works out and be safe (cap off! of course.. but I'm sure you know that). Remember that alcohol fumes are combustible... should be only a small amount.. but hey.
Well, I bet it would work for some percentage of the "thinness". However, you may need to add some VG. If you're worried about flavor or nic... get some 100% VG juice in similar/same flavor with same nic.
The alcohol would boil off at a lower pressure. However, it's not the only thing that could be thinning the juice. Alcohol would be a small (but significant) percentage... however there could even be some water, or PG. PG is commonly used in the flavorings. Other stuff...who knows.
BTW... steeping is more about letting the flavors combine and mingle. However, alcohol evaporation is probably and interesting part of that steeping process anyway.
Since you have your own vacuum chamber, and I know you're going to do this anyway to have "fun".... let us know how it works out and be safe (cap off! of course.. but I'm sure you know that). Remember that alcohol fumes are combustible... should be only a small amount.. but hey.
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Nah... you're just being modest or selling yourself short. All you have to know is that alcohol boils off 1st at low pressure. He's just trying to remove it quicky and have fun with his personal vacuum chamber (and I expect that no one will make fun of this post nor will I see it in the UTC thread....or other nasty comments 'cuz I know you guys too well.)
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last time i saw a vacuum chamber was in physics class in high school....10 years ago. man that sucks 10 years went by like nothing. I'm sure it not going to go any slower too.
thats a pretty cool idea to do. should do a vid while doing it. I'd watch it.
thats a pretty cool idea to do. should do a vid while doing it. I'd watch it.
Nah... you're just being modest or selling yourself short. All you have to know is that alcohol boils off 1st at low pressure. He's just trying to remove it quicky and have fun with his personal vacuum chamber (and I expect that no one will make fun of this post nor will I see it in the UTC thread....or other nasty comments 'cuz I know you guys too well.)
I'm geeky enough that I'm a little jealous that I don't have a vacuum chamber.
lol, sorry for the ......ed post. I guess I was aiming it more at some of the juice makers as a potential way to degass the stuff and get rid of the solvent flavor bases that some don't like, and at the same time being able to add more flavor without having a watery consistency.
Can't believe everyone doesn't have a vacuum chamber
Can't believe everyone doesn't have a vacuum chamber
lol, sorry for the ......ed post. I guess I was aiming it more at some of the juice makers as a potential way to degass the stuff and get rid of the solvent flavor bases that some don't like, and at the same time being able to add more flavor without having a watery consistency.
Can't believe everyone doesn't have a vacuum chamber
It's not a "......ed post" tho... we want to hear the results! Did it work? I agree with the above... make a vid.
Seriously. I haven't heard this one before. I want the results! We're waiting here....
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I finally got around to trying the vacuum test. I can't really quantify the results, or qualify for that matter other than subjective observations. I put some juice in the chamber at 29" hg for about 10 minutes. To my surprise I did not observe any outgassing whatsoever, not a single bubble. However, when I opened the chamber it smelled like a Butterscotch factory so I know something was happening. I thought I noticed some surface distortions but it might have just been my mug blocking the overhead light.
I don't have any way to test the viscosity other than a change in max droplet size due to surface tension.
It does appears that there is a slight change in droplet size and the vaccuumed juice is working well so far in the leak prone "Smokymizer" (Couldn't they have come up with a name that doesn't make me sound like more of a dork than I already am?
Anyway... I'm going to stick some more in the marshmallow expander for a substantial period of time and see what happens. Anyone have a clever way of comparing relative viscosity other than seeing how big a drop can get before it falls from a syringe needle?
Most boring video ever posted:
I don't have any way to test the viscosity other than a change in max droplet size due to surface tension.
It does appears that there is a slight change in droplet size and the vaccuumed juice is working well so far in the leak prone "Smokymizer" (Couldn't they have come up with a name that doesn't make me sound like more of a dork than I already am?
Anyway... I'm going to stick some more in the marshmallow expander for a substantial period of time and see what happens. Anyone have a clever way of comparing relative viscosity other than seeing how big a drop can get before it falls from a syringe needle?
Most boring video ever posted:
All I have to say is that Must be One Heck of a Syringe to cause that Much Vaccum.
You sure your just not seeing Air Bubbles in your e-Liquid?
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lol. Interesting. When I started with DIY e-juice, I wondered about viscosity. Was worried that I'd have to thin juice to the viscosity I wanted. Bottom line is I make a "poor mans viscosity test"...
I used an inclined plane (A plastic laminated card... IDK ... maybe 45 degree angle) with a small circle drawn at top center. I'd put a drop of liquid on the circle from about 1 inch high and time how long it took to hit bottom. Averaged 3 tests. Now, IDK how you relate that to actual viscosity measurements/scales. However, it MAY tell you if it has changed. lol.
And yeah, I actually did it. And no, I don't do it anymore.... I just add pg and/or VG until it's "good". lol.
lol. Interesting. When I started with DIY e-juice, I wondered about viscosity. Was worried that I'd have to thin juice to the viscosity I wanted. Bottom line is I make a "poor mans viscosity test"...
I used an inclined plane (A plastic laminated card... IDK ... maybe 45 degree angle) with a small circle drawn at top center. I'd put a drop of liquid on the circle from about 1 inch high and time how long it took to hit bottom. Averaged 3 tests. Now, IDK how you relate that to actual viscosity measurements/scales. However, it MAY tell you if it has changed. lol.
And yeah, I actually did it. And no, I don't do it anymore.... I just add pg and/or VG until it's "good". lol.
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Just make sure you don't vape something like Oba Oba or Mama's Angel Wings in your Smokymizer. That might sound a tad dorky.
BTW be careful with the Smokymizers- there have been reports from some members that they're shorting out their batteries.
Just make sure you don't vape something like Oba Oba or Mama's Angel Wings in your Smokymizer. That might sound a tad dorky.
BTW be careful with the Smokymizers- there have been reports from some members that they're shorting out their batteries.
"officer, I was smoking oba oba in my smokeymizer"... Jail or padded room for sure. I tried the test again for a longer time. It definitely works for adjusting the viscosity. I can make it so thick it that I can't suck it up in the syringe. The downside is that I think I am sucking all of the butterscotchy goodness out it. The viscosity is perfect but the flavor seems milder. It could be that I burned my tastebuds off with bourbon last night so who knows.
This video shows the same juice with serious outgassing.
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