Advice needed--cartridge burnt taste

[shanewarne]

I've been using marineland filter sleeves size "v" (still waiting for blue foam sleeves to be delivered) for few days now and not able to vape for long no matter how many drops I put. I've tried putting 5 drops and also 10 drops but after few puffs the flavor diminishes (but still some vapor) and tastes burnt. As per the experience by others, I cut the filter sleeve to 3/4 th size of cartridge so that there is some space between the end of cartridge and filler for the airflow. I feel good for initial puffs. To get rid of the burnt taste I had to put another 5 drops for feeling the flavor. I even blow out he attys frequently and prime with 2-3 drops before vaping. I cut some fillers of the filer sleeve for my friend and he never faced this problem. For 10 drops he can happily vape for 2 times. For me, it lasts only few puffs (5 or 10 drops) and had to put drops to continue. I am wasting lot of juice everytime. He has got Joye Ego and I am using Riva.
What I am I doing wrong here?
Would the blue foam help me solve this problem?
How many times u can smoke with ur e-cig for 10 drops?

 

[WomanOfHeart]

How many times can you vape for 10 drops? No one can say for sure. It depends on how you vape. It sounds like the problem you're having is with the filler not wicking fast enough to keep up with how you vape. Your friend is probably vaping differently from the way you do and that's why it's working for him. You can buy the Marineland size U from almost any pet store; PetCo, PetSmart. I didn't like the blue foam and used a Fluval plug mod for a while until I switched to dripping and using cartos.

 

[mmoss2]

Any chance you have an LR atomizer? If so, this would make sense - the LR atomizer goes through liquid more quickly.

 

[shanewarne]

WomanOfHeart,
I can only 4 to 5 puffs for 10 drops and this is very less as I used to do better with the original carts. My friend takes puffs just like me. If I take short puffs, I will not be able to feel the flavor and also less vapor. How does cartos perform? I've seen many people complaining about burnt taste, getting liquid into mouth while using cartos as well.
mmoss2,
I've been using normal attys that came with the Riva kit.

 

[DC2]

I cut the filter sleeve to 3/4 th size of cartridge so that there is some space between the end of cartridge and filler for the airflow.

I've never heard of that, or at least the way you are explaining it, but it may be your problem.

It sounds to me like you are getting 4 or 5 puffs off the drops you put in to prime the atomizer, and then not much more.
You have to make sure the filler material is making good contact with the bridge of the atomizer or it won't wick more juice.

As far as I know, the filler material should be flush with the end of the cartridge.
I've never heard anyone recommend otherwise.

Also, if your filler is making good contact, then you might be taking puffs faster than the wicking material can wick more juice.
If that is the case, there are a number of ways to try and address that issue.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Not all cartos are created equally. I heard the same things you have so I stuck to carts for quite a while and just used the Fluval plug. That actually worked quite well for me. I decided to give cartos a shot after the CE2's came out. I like them because they use a ceramic cup and don't have any filler. That's the upside to them. The downside is they have wicking problems, especially with juices have a lot of VG in them. I vape either a 50/50 or 60PG/40VG mix. I can't go with more PG because I'm a little sensitive and I'm not a big fan of TH. I have to change how long I take between draws with the CE2 so it can wick or I have to invert my PV to make the liquid go to the top of the carto.

I have also tried some LR cartos since I'm using a mod. Those I REALLY like! They have the filler, but I'm not getting a burnt taste unless they're getting empty. They usually last about an hour (I chain vape) and I've been able to clean them and refill several times. They haven't leaked and I don't get juice in my mouth.

The carto I'm really waiting for is the Mega 808 from IkenVape. They got rave reviews in beta testing and it seems like they sell out almost as soon as Issac has them in stock. I'm waiting for a restock right now.

I've heard good things about the standard 510 cartos from LiteCigUSA. You might want to give them a shot.

 

[shanewarne]

DC2,
The atty is pushing the filler inside when I insert cartridge. I might be vaping the liquid which is on top. After few puffs I can feel the burnt taste and can see the filler being pushed inside and might not be able to make contact with the atty. Do you have any advice to solve this?

 

[DC2]

When you say you are cutting the filler to 3/4 the size of the cartridge, do you mean the depth of the cartridge?

atomizer

|__| <----- space between filler and top of cartridge
|lllll| <----- filler material
|lllll|
|lllll|

mouthpiece

 

[shanewarne]

DC2,
No. The space is near the mouth piece and the filler. I am really wasting lot of juice. The space what you are showing could be created by the atty as it is pushing the filler down.

Initial
|lllll|
|lllll| <----- filler material
|lllll|
| |<----- space between filler and bottom of cartridge

After some puffs

|__| <----- space between filler and top of cartridge
|lllll| <----- filler material
|lllll|
|lllll|

I've also observed that the top portion of the filler material towards the atty is dry. It seems the liquid on the bottom is not able to come up the filler to the atty.

 

[shanewarne]

My friend also using the same cartridge and using joy ego. He didn't face this problem. Same liquid,same filler material n same cartridge. I even tried with cutting filler to the exact size of cart so that the atty is always is in contact with the filler. Infact tried all the different sizes of the filler. It does take 10-15 drops for the first time. I can take only few puffs(5 or 6) to give nice flavor. After that the flavor drops. I can see the filler is still having some liquid. IS this the problem with Riva? I've changed atty as well. but no improvement. Got couple of new batteries from liberty flights. same experience again after few puffs. Soaked,washed in hot water,blew the attys.. tired n frustrated. Was using vaporking ealrier and didn't faced this problem. shorter battery life.. that's y switched to Riva. Used blue foam,filter sleeve,polyfill,The Highping Cart Mod.. nothing works. Please help

 

[Jessara]

I personally switched from using atty's and carts because I got so sick of having to mess with a million different mods just to get them to wick correctly (and wasting TONS of juice in the process). Now I use cartos and just fill it up, screw it on and I'm good to go for about an hour on my 510 before I need to refill. I use a Boge 510 carto and when it's completely cleaned out (I blow it out once in awhile) I can drop about 20-25 drops in it, depending on viscosity of the liquid. On refills I get about 10-12 drops in. I never let it go completely dry unless I'm planning to blow it out.

As for the "burnt" taste with your atty/cart setup, the only time that happened to me was when I didn't have the cart on the atty the *right* way, and the sides of the cart were getting melted on the atty. I was just happily vaping away one day and started getting a yucky taste, so I refilled the cart, stuck it back on and it just kept getting worse and worse. Then it just stopped working all together. THEN I found out there is actually a *right* way and a *wrong* way to put a cart on an atty so the bridge lines up with the cart or else it burns the plastic of the cart. I actually ruined an atty this way (melted plastic on it). But you've said you've tried different attys/carts and still have this happening so what I did wrong probably isn't what's causing your problem.

 

[ropetrick]

Could it be your juice? I have a terrible time with high-VG juices wicking properly, and have had this problem a lot. They also seem to gum up the filler more quickly.

If so: just as an experiment, trying vaping something that's all PG if you can, and see if that changes things.

I'm not kidding, I noticed worse wicking even when the weather turned cold and affected the liquid's viscosity. It's a problem.

 

[DC2]

DC2,
No. The space is near the mouth piece and the filler. I am really wasting lot of juice. The space what you are showing could be created by the atty as it is pushing the filler down.

Initial
|lllll|
|lllll| <----- filler material
|lllll|
| |<----- space between filler and bottom of cartridge

After some puffs

|__| <----- space between filler and top of cartridge
|lllll| <----- filler material
|lllll|
|lllll|

I've also observed that the top portion of the filler material towards the atty is dry. It seems the liquid on the bottom is not able to come up the filler to the atty.

Well, that is most definitely your problem then.


I'm thinking you should not cut the filler to 3/4 the depth of the cart.
Of if you really want to do that, look into spring mods to keep that filler pushed up.