I'm looking to get into mech mods and all that comes along with it. (building coils dripping, changing flavors easily etc...) I've been vaping for about six months and I'm currently using an itaste MVP 2.0 with a couple differnt type clearomizers.(nautilus, iClear30, iClear30s) This setup has served me well, met all my needs, and kept smoke free thus far. I want to up the ante now though, and I'm looking to go to a mech mod and start sub ohming. With all the options out there it seems a bit overwhelming. I need feedback. Should I get a clone or the real deal? What's a good setup to start sub ohming and dripping? (am I saying any of this ..... right?) I'll have to get everthing from the charger on down to the organic cotton to go in the coils. The last thing is that if I'm going to do this I'm going to DO it. I wish someone would've said when I first started screw the ciga-likes and 650 ego batteries get a vv/vw box mod and be done with it. I'd just assume get the best type mod I can to start on. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Advice on getting into mech mods?
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Have you also considered getting into rebuildables with high v/w devise?
With a mech mod the only way to "fine tune" your vape is to build a new coil. With a high vv/vw regulated mod (and its buck/boost circuitry) you can "fine tune" with a push of a button. On a mechanical mod your voltage drops as you vape, with a regulated mod this does not happen. Your first hit is just as good as your last hit.
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If you are interested in mech mods and rebuildables I highly recommend you spend some time with Baditude (one of our resident battery experts) and visit his blogs. You are now 100% in control of your own safety (and others around you). Make sure you purchase an ohm reader and a voltmeter or DMM so you can measure your builds, check for shorts and measure the remaining charge on your batteries.
Baditudes Blogs. The blogs regarding mods and rebuildables are listed below:
BATTERIES
9. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
17. Purple Efest Batteries Not As Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
14. Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
16. Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
MECHANICAL MODS & REBUILDABLES
7. Information Resources for Your First RBA
* An essential read and reference guide for someone new to rebuilding coils. Includes a multitude of useful links on battery safety, mod safety, coil meters, coil building, and the differences in the three types of RBA's.
15. Inexpensive Mechanical Mod and RDA Setup
* A response to the frequently asked question on how to get into rebuildable atomizers with a mechanical mod inexpensively. Includes a list of commonly used tools and supplies for rebuilding and where to find them.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
With a mech mod the only way to "fine tune" your vape is to build a new coil. With a high vv/vw regulated mod (and its buck/boost circuitry) you can "fine tune" with a push of a button. On a mechanical mod your voltage drops as you vape, with a regulated mod this does not happen. Your first hit is just as good as your last hit.
=========
If you are interested in mech mods and rebuildables I highly recommend you spend some time with Baditude (one of our resident battery experts) and visit his blogs. You are now 100% in control of your own safety (and others around you). Make sure you purchase an ohm reader and a voltmeter or DMM so you can measure your builds, check for shorts and measure the remaining charge on your batteries.
Baditudes Blogs. The blogs regarding mods and rebuildables are listed below:
BATTERIES
9. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
17. Purple Efest Batteries Not As Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
14. Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
16. Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
MECHANICAL MODS & REBUILDABLES
7. Information Resources for Your First RBA
* An essential read and reference guide for someone new to rebuilding coils. Includes a multitude of useful links on battery safety, mod safety, coil meters, coil building, and the differences in the three types of RBA's.
15. Inexpensive Mechanical Mod and RDA Setup
* A response to the frequently asked question on how to get into rebuildable atomizers with a mechanical mod inexpensively. Includes a list of commonly used tools and supplies for rebuilding and where to find them.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
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Hope you got $$$$. You'll hear pros and cons on everything. Good and bad authenics and clones, mods, RDA's and RTA's. Through $$$ at it and have fun learning. Sometimes have to rework a product (switches on mods and posts on RDA's). Mega list on where to by online. Stay out of B&M. Rare to find a bargain. But my fave online's are Vivid Smoke, Vape Royality, Code Vape and Ecigsupply. Walgreen (80 count bag organic cotton balls, $3). I had a 1000 yd spoil of 28g s.s stashed in my garage. Watch the build youtubes for how to's and reviews. Have fun.
clones work great and are cheap, so it all boils down to your view on the whole clone/authentic deal.
take a look at this thread, I had a good discusion with a guy that was just starting out there
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/616634-dripping-help.html
you will need
a good mod
good batteries
good charger
ohm meter / multimeter
coil
wick (cotton/rayon)
nemesis and stingrays are great easy to work mods
$18.89 Nemesis Style Mechanical Mod - stainless steel / with telescopic 510 contact pin at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$26.26 Stingray X Style Stainless Steel + Copper Mechanical Mod - 18350 / 18500 / 18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
hybrids work better as they make direct contact with your rda or rba but you could have a short if your 510 pin isnt protruding
smpl and 4nine are great examples of it
$18.21 4Nine Style Mechanical Mod - 1:1 clone / 18350/18500/18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$18.72 SMPL Style 18650 Mechanical Mod - stainless steel + brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
for the rda go for one that is simple to build and has adjustable airflow and single/dual capabilities so you can experiment and find what you like
so a simple 3 post design will help
$7.00 *SALE* Quasar Style Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
take a look at this thread, I had a good discusion with a guy that was just starting out there
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/616634-dripping-help.html
you will need
a good mod
good batteries
good charger
ohm meter / multimeter
coil
wick (cotton/rayon)
nemesis and stingrays are great easy to work mods
$18.89 Nemesis Style Mechanical Mod - stainless steel / with telescopic 510 contact pin at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$26.26 Stingray X Style Stainless Steel + Copper Mechanical Mod - 18350 / 18500 / 18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
hybrids work better as they make direct contact with your rda or rba but you could have a short if your 510 pin isnt protruding
smpl and 4nine are great examples of it
$18.21 4Nine Style Mechanical Mod - 1:1 clone / 18350/18500/18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$18.72 SMPL Style 18650 Mechanical Mod - stainless steel + brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
for the rda go for one that is simple to build and has adjustable airflow and single/dual capabilities so you can experiment and find what you like
so a simple 3 post design will help
$7.00 *SALE* Quasar Style Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Grab a cheap stingray or a chii you clone, grab a tugboat or a tobh clone, grab a few samsung inr25 batteries, some 26g kanthal and a bag of organic cotton.
duffy223,
Your un regulated mods are going to require alot more maintenance and messing with to keep them from getting voltage drops, not to mention the occasional auto fire if the lock nut stops working right.
You can get just as good vape ( sub ohm ) from any of the new chip mods out there now with less hassle.
My vote : Sigelei 50W v2 Box Mod - Eciggity
Goblin - Triangle Vape LLC
Marquis RDA (Clone) - $12.15 | Broke Vapers
Your un regulated mods are going to require alot more maintenance and messing with to keep them from getting voltage drops, not to mention the occasional auto fire if the lock nut stops working right.
You can get just as good vape ( sub ohm ) from any of the new chip mods out there now with less hassle.
My vote : Sigelei 50W v2 Box Mod - Eciggity
Goblin - Triangle Vape LLC
Marquis RDA (Clone) - $12.15 | Broke Vapers
first and foremost, battery safety. this thing can blow up. know you battery and how much you can draw on it, and lowest resistance you can set and don't go below that. check and double check your atty resistance when coil is on. once you know how to do that. there are world of mech mods out there and good attys.. RDB, RTA...
usually FT 1:1 clones are good.. usually.. i haven't had any major issues. they are cheap, but you have to wait 2-3 weeks to get them. you can pay little more and get it domestically. juice, don't buy it from china. rely on the well established folks in US.
on top of that, you will need battery (Sony, Samsung...ones wth CDR at at least 20. if you are thinking cloud chase, 30A.) get a good battery charger. Nitecore is good. you can fine them for $12-14.
good wicking material. rayon or japanese cotton. kathal wire.. anywhere between 26-30 g. and you are set
usually FT 1:1 clones are good.. usually.. i haven't had any major issues. they are cheap, but you have to wait 2-3 weeks to get them. you can pay little more and get it domestically. juice, don't buy it from china. rely on the well established folks in US.
on top of that, you will need battery (Sony, Samsung...ones wth CDR at at least 20. if you are thinking cloud chase, 30A.) get a good battery charger. Nitecore is good. you can fine them for $12-14.
good wicking material. rayon or japanese cotton. kathal wire.. anywhere between 26-30 g. and you are set
I second the get a box mod recommendation. Consistent long lasting performance in the dual 18650 boxes. I have the first edition sigelei 100watt and my son just got the new sigelei 150. Both amazing. I personally like the button style of the 100watt better, as does my son. But both these boxes are amazing.
My recommendation would be Sigelei box mod and a Mutation X v2. There are other nice Regulated Mods as well but I would try to stick with a dual 18650 mod and at least 50 watts. The price between 50 and 100 watts is som small it is really up to you. But !00 watts allows you to hit the same wattages that a standard mech will hit.
My recommendation would be Sigelei box mod and a Mutation X v2. There are other nice Regulated Mods as well but I would try to stick with a dual 18650 mod and at least 50 watts. The price between 50 and 100 watts is som small it is really up to you. But !00 watts allows you to hit the same wattages that a standard mech will hit.
So are these mechanical mods VV or VW? I don't see any adjustment rings or interface on the Nemesis and Stingray clones.
a mechanical mod doesn't have any type circuit, just a battery and metal to carry the current to the atomizer, VV and VW have chips that regulate the voltage or the power.
mechanical mod = electric cigarette
VV / VW mod = electronic cigarette
If you are just starting out get a VV/VW mod. The circuitry has added safety features like short protection, low/high ohm, and over heating. All of which will help stop you battery from going into melt down mode.
Here is a shopping list.
2-in-1 Ohm & Voltage Meter
SMOKTech XPRO M50 50W Mini Box Mod
Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh Battery - Flat Top
Kanthal Wire 28 Gauge RW0118 - 100 Ft 0.61oz Series A-1 Resistance AWG
Maxim Hygiene Products Organic Cotton Balls | Walgreens
Marquis RDA (Clone) - $12.15 | Broke Vapers
Here is a shopping list.
2-in-1 Ohm & Voltage Meter
SMOKTech XPRO M50 50W Mini Box Mod
Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh Battery - Flat Top
Kanthal Wire 28 Gauge RW0118 - 100 Ft 0.61oz Series A-1 Resistance AWG
Maxim Hygiene Products Organic Cotton Balls | Walgreens
Marquis RDA (Clone) - $12.15 | Broke Vapers
No adjustments on Mech Mods. straight off the battery. Output from what I've read is about 8W.
Output is whatever you build it to be, but no sub-ohm build will ever fire at only 8W. Output is much much more than that. Mechanical mods are a more in-depth hobby. It helps to enjoy building coils. I have many.
All good information above you should read through (especially about a vv mod box), but I'd add this: I highly, highly, highly recommend staying away from hybrid connectors. What you gain in terms of voltage drop is heavily offset by the real increase in danger from shorts and whacking out your batteries.
Thanks for the clarification. I've been building RDA's and RTA's for 2 months now. Single and dual coils (28g) at .7 ohm. However my new Smok Rocket with Kayfun V2 cuts-out if you build below 1.3 ohm. So I built the Kayfun right at 1.3 ohm and it kicks .... on that Rocket.
Ah thanks for the clarification guys. So you can't even adjust anything on mech mods? Seems quite expensive for a $200-300 metal cylinder with engravings.
My friend has the V3tronix and the wattage or whatever must be tuned pretty high because it blows a good amount of vapor.
My friend has the V3tronix and the wattage or whatever must be tuned pretty high because it blows a good amount of vapor.
Mechanicals have no safety / protection features at all other than the one between the users ears.
They are just a deferent method of vaping, not better or worse or really any harder after the learning curve.
A mechanical will not out vape, produce bigger clouds or more flavor than a high power APV, (or the other way around).
The coil, wicking material & juice don't know or care what method is used to provide power.
They are just a deferent method of vaping, not better or worse or really any harder after the learning curve.
A mechanical will not out vape, produce bigger clouds or more flavor than a high power APV, (or the other way around).
The coil, wicking material & juice don't know or care what method is used to provide power.
You adjust the coils to your preference. There are many metal tubes with engravings that can be purchased for much less than $200. There are some US-made authentics less than $100, and almost anything made in China is much cheaper.
v3tronix makes mechanical mods. When you build lower on a mechanical mod, more current is pulled from the battery, so the wattage increases. Yes, you can make massive amounts of vapor. But you can also do this with a high power regulated box. Everyone has their own preferences. I prefer mechanicals. Just make sure you understand what you are doing and have a resistance tester to make sure you are doing it safely.
My advice would be to look at some of the bottom feed dripper MOD's. These are both Mech (Reo, Geal 3D printed...ect) and DNA 30/40 (Greal 3D printed and others) out there. You can still drip if you wish to sample juice, and loose none of the conveniences inherent with a dripper, but gain all of the benefits of a tank. One particularly nice thing about building/buying one with a DNA 40 is you wont burn the cotton, EVER, if you build with Ni200 on temp control.
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