Air Canada Vaping?

[MadValleyVapingMama]

IMO HC is going to continue to sit on the fence about vaping. I really can't see a big change happening anytime soon in Canada, & I believe that change is going to happen when either nic e-liquid venders or PV users get charged & it goes through the legal system. It doesn't seem easy or cheap, but it does seem very unfair.

Just my

 

[Toronnah]

I would avoid it. The penalties for breaking airline rules are quite severe.

 

[wreimer]

I worked in the aviation industry for nearly 40 years, so I can speak with some aurthority on this issue. I can tell you for certain that if you're caught on board smoking OR vaping, it's treated the same way. I have been present when a vaper was hauled off an Air Canada flight in handcuffs. for vaping in a toilet. The Flight attendant saw "smoke" when the passenger left the bathroom, and challenged him. He immediately pulled out an e-cig, and proudly stated he wasn't "smoking", he was "vaping".
The flight attendant, the Purser and the Captain failed to see the difference, and requested the flight be met by Police. The passenger was taken off the flight, was banned from ever travelling on Air Canada again, and was charged under the Aeronautics Act for interfering with a flight. He was fined $2500 for his trouble. (this was in March of 2010, in Calgary, BTW)
As for vaping in airports, until 2009 you wouldn't get too much hassle in most airports, however the Canadian Airports Council took the position that "vaping" in airports gave the wrong perception to other passengers and would not be tolerated. You will usually just be told sternly not to do that in public view, however I have seen people "talk" themselves into a trip to the Police office because they wanted to argue their "right" to vape wherever they wanted. Discretion goes a long way; I'd suggest the smart move in an airport ( at least a Canadian airport) is to keep your e-cig in your bag, and pop another piece of Nicorette gum in...WAAY less potential for problems.

 

[NoobPatrol]

wow, i am glad i asked!

Thanks everyone for the great info.

 

[mrman]

I worked in the aviation industry for nearly 40 years, so I can speak with some aurthority on this issue. I can tell you for certain that if you're caught on board smoking OR vaping, it's treated the same way. I have been present when a vaper was hauled off an Air Canada flight in handcuffs. for vaping in a toilet. The Flight attendant saw "smoke" when the passenger left the bathroom, and challenged him. He immediately pulled out an e-cig, and proudly stated he wasn't "smoking", he was "vaping".
The flight attendant, the Purser and the Captain failed to see the difference, and requested the flight be met by Police. The passenger was taken off the flight, was banned from ever travelling on Air Canada again, and was charged under the Aeronautics Act for interfering with a flight. He was fined $2500 for his trouble. (this was in March of 2010, in Calgary, BTW)
As for vaping in airports, until 2009 you wouldn't get too much hassle in most airports, however the Canadian Airports Council took the position that "vaping" in airports gave the wrong perception to other passengers and would not be tolerated. You will usually just be told sternly not to do that in public view, however I have seen people "talk" themselves into a trip to the Police office because they wanted to argue their "right" to vape wherever they wanted. Discretion goes a long way; I'd suggest the smart move in an airport ( at least a Canadian airport) is to keep your e-cig in your bag, and pop another piece of Nicorette gum in...WAAY less potential for problems.

i thinks the reason for the guy being in trouble was not cuase he was vaping but becuase he had undeclared liquid. (911) (i spell bad) i have vaped on all my flights, no probs. people were actually encouraging me, congrats me for trying to quit.

 

[Song]

I worked in the aviation industry for nearly 40 years, so I can speak with some aurthority on this issue. I can tell you for certain that if you're caught on board smoking OR vaping, it's treated the same way. I have been present when a vaper was hauled off an Air Canada flight in handcuffs. for vaping in a toilet. The Flight attendant saw "smoke" when the passenger left the bathroom, and challenged him. He immediately pulled out an e-cig, and proudly stated he wasn't "smoking", he was "vaping".
The flight attendant, the Purser and the Captain failed to see the difference, and requested the flight be met by Police. The passenger was taken off the flight, was banned from ever travelling on Air Canada again, and was charged under the Aeronautics Act for interfering with a flight. He was fined $2500 for his trouble. (this was in March of 2010, in Calgary, BTW)
As for vaping in airports, until 2009 you wouldn't get too much hassle in most airports, however the Canadian Airports Council took the position that "vaping" in airports gave the wrong perception to other passengers and would not be tolerated. You will usually just be told sternly not to do that in public view, however I have seen people "talk" themselves into a trip to the Police office because they wanted to argue their "right" to vape wherever they wanted. Discretion goes a long way; I'd suggest the smart move in an airport ( at least a Canadian airport) is to keep your e-cig in your bag, and pop another piece of Nicorette gum in...WAAY less potential for problems.

I just do what i usually do at airports when i used to smoke cigs, look for the smoking lounge and if there none of those and I don't have time to go outside, just go to the bathroom and pop a quick one and get the hell out of there before anyone is the wiser. A bit risky of a move thou, i've seen security go into the bathroom to check 2 minutes after i left it after smoking a quick one in there lol.

 

[staypuffed]

stealth vape in the bathroom hold it in nothing comes out saved me on a 15 hour flight

 

[Toronnah]

i thinks the reason for the guy being in trouble was not cuase he was vaping but becuase he had undeclared liquid. (911) (i spell bad) i have vaped on all my flights, no probs. people were actually encouraging me, congrats me for trying to quit.

You "think" the reason was undeclared liquid? The captain determined this to be smoking. The captain rules his plane. The rules are there. You break them, you have consequences.

It doesn't really matter what our opinion of vaping is. It's what the airline and security authorities think it is.

 

[Concat]

Yeah, that's the only reason I don't recommend it. God forbid you end up in a tiny room and hear the ominous snapping noise of a latex glove.

 

[Toronnah]

Yeah, that's the only reason I don't recommend it. God forbid you end up in a tiny room and hear the ominous snapping noise of a latex glove.

That might be the least of your worries. Imagine having your name of the "no fly" list. Imagine being barred from the airport.

And if they are really mad, they don't use KY before the personal inspection.

 

[onename]

I have looked around the forum and haven't seen anything about Air Canada and vaping, am I allowed to vape on an air canada flight? That would be incredible, no more waiting for a smoke!

You have searched through this forum correct?
Travel and E-Cig

 

[wreimer]

The charges laid had nothing to do with undeclared liquid...I was present as the Airport Authority representative. He had one 10 ml bottle of ejuice on his person, and it had been declared and properly bagged at pre-board screening when he boarded.

As a fellow vaper, I tried to "mitigate" the issue, despite the fact that the individual in question was a bit of an A**hat. He was suspected of "smoking" and freely and readily admitted to "vaping" on board. The airline views the two as the same thing, and insisted charges be preferred, despite both myself and the two Police Constables who attended urging Air Canada to exercise restraint and common sense in the matter.

regrettably, "common sense" is not something Air Canada has ever been particularly good at. They insisted charges be laid, and they were. The individual did appear in court and was convicted and fined. He was also permanently banned from any Air Canada flight in future. That may not "appear" to be a big deal to some, however if you travel frequently by air, especially in Canada, being banned from travel on Air Canada really seriously limits your options getting from point A to point B, especially if point B is somewhere other than a major centre. Also, if that information is leaked out during discussion with another airline, you may well find yourself denied on that carrier as well; I've seen it happen more times than I can count.

Bottom line, while it may seem to be "harmless" and of little consequence if you're caught, the aviation industry as a whole in Canada has taken a zero tolerance standpoint on smoking, and vaping. Almost every airport I can think of in Canada will demand you stop vaping if you're found doing it on the premises in areas other than those designated for smoking. In many instances you'll find yourself removed from the property. Then, it doesn't matter if you vape or don't vape on an airplane; if you're not even allowed to be IN the airport, it's bloody near impossible to catch a flight anyway. If you're flying, Nicorette is your friend, my friend...

i thinks the reason for the guy being in trouble was not cuase he was vaping but becuase he had undeclared liquid. (911) (i spell bad) i have vaped on all my flights, no probs. people were actually encouraging me, congrats me for trying to quit.

 

[Gritti]

I've used my pv in my seat on both West Jet and Air Canada with in the last 3 months. I was just stealthy about it... kept it stuffed down my sleeve and exhaled into my other sleeve so it didnt cause mass panic on the plane.

No problems vapin in the terminal either.

Maybe I was just lucky though, who knows.

 

[Song]

I've used my pv in my seat on both West Jet and Air Canada with in the last 3 months. I was just stealthy about it... kept it stuffed down my sleeve and exhaled into my other sleeve so it didnt cause mass panic on the plane.

No problems vapin in the terminal either.

Maybe I was just lucky though, who knows.

got to say you got lots of balls for vaping on a plane gritti, personally i wouldn't dare smoke a e-cig on a plane, rather not have someone mistaken it for something and get tazered and send to jail. Heck they can send u to jail even if they know what it is.

At the airport i'd probably vape there,just a plane is a no no for me.

 

[OntariAuLait]

I've used my pv in my seat on both West Jet and Air Canada with in the last 3 months. I was just stealthy about it... kept it stuffed down my sleeve and exhaled into my other sleeve so it didnt cause mass panic on the plane.

No problems vapin in the terminal either.

Maybe I was just lucky though, who knows.

Haha, the double sleeve mental picture is funny.

I don't understand, I didn't have a problem taking a hoot once in a while pretty openly...I just kept it in so I didn't exhale visible steam? I've never had an emergency cough, but I always cough into my sleeve anyway. I guess sleeve absorbs vapour too.

To be honest I really wasn't as sneaky as I made it seem before. Stealth vaping is just "not exhaling" to me. Also I had it fully assembled with a bottle of liquid declared to airport customs (Toronto Centre - so they knew I was getting on one of two planes leaving.)

I would believe that the guy who was dragged of the plane and arrested was being smarmy and belligerent about being asked to put it away. Sure, then they'll be hardasses because they can, and they're entitled to it, but I doubt anyone would have hauled me off in handcuffs and banned me without simply asking me to stop using it first. And then I would just stop using it. It's not a scary scenario at all unless you're planning on being some sort of activist about it.

Our collective common sense about these things isn't established enough to expect anybody to know whether or not they should be vaping on a plane. Curious Non-Smokers (those who happen to not smoke but don't care if you do) ask me all the time whether this is an e-cig and "You can smoke it anywhere because it's steam, right?"

Basically, I think that there is too much confusion right now to severely punish people for this kind of negligence because clear rules haven't been publicized enough. I know it's responsible to do your own research, but the general public does not do their own research and is barely expected to. The average, non-researching person, unless told otherwise or unless they have some sort of automatic anti-cigarette agenda, thinks you can smoke these things anywhere so I think a medium-good lawyer could probably defend you if it got hairy.

 

[Gritti]

got to say you got lots of balls for vaping on a plane gritti, personally i wouldn't dare smoke a e-cig on a plane, rather not have someone mistaken it for something and get tazered and send to jail. Heck they can send u to jail even if they know what it is.

At the airport i'd probably vape there,just a plane is a no no for me.

I do have a decent set of Lady Balls.... I vape everywhere and anywhere really. It's all about being aware of your environment and of course being really sneaky. I use the Bloog, which maybe allows for a more ninja like vape

 

[Song]

I do have a decent set of Lady Balls.... I vape everywhere and anywhere really. It's all about being aware of your environment and of course being really sneaky. I use the Bloog, which maybe allows for a more ninja like vape

Heh, well you definitely have more balls then I do . I used to smoke the bathrooms at airports, but on planes I dont really dare smoke or vape lol.

 

[Dad2daBone]

yep they have a policy on it... you can bring em on board, but not use them in flight...

aircanada.com - Carry-On Baggage

Accepted Items
....

"Electronic cigarettes (or 'e-cigarettes'), provided they remain stowed and unused in your carry-on baggage."

When I first started reading from your link I thought you were referencing- "Container carrying life sustaining items" lol
but I was confused reading the part about liquids yada yada - Think you could get away with transporting juice?

 

[NoobPatrol]

interesting replies!!!

Thanks for sharing all of you.

 

[farmer_bric]

Just play the game. I use nicorette lozenges every time I fly, and no problem with withdrawal symptoms. The object is not to vape, it is to simply get through life. Save your fight for the bigger battles