Air flow driven device.

[Stew1957]

Is there such a thing as an air flow driven device? Sometimes I pick up my device and do a slow gentle draw and if the wattage is set high everything starts cooking. Then if you set the wattage low and take a a good fast draw it's like sucking the water out of a wet blanket.
For me it is really frustrating how much you have to concentrate on the speed of your draw and if you feel like doing multiple successive draws your coils and juice start cooking as well.
Looking forward to any info to help me make a more informed decision or advice on how to rig my tanks better to suit my varying draw speeds.
I have a Vaporesso Swag 2 with either Pangu tank or a Serpent Mini on and a Vaporesso Gen 2 with a Geekvape Zeus X Mesh on. Any of the combinations are great if you maintain a consistent draw speed and don't draw to many times successively.

 

[Izan]

Hi and Welcome,
Have you tried the 1.5Ω coils in the Pangu?
How have the other devices been built? (Ω,material, watts)
What wattage levels are you using?
What is the PG/VG ratio and nicotine content of the juice you use?
Do you build with cotton or rayon wick?

Cheers
I

 

[Stew1957]

Hi Izan, the Pangu I more mentioned I am using but don't really have an issue with it. Would appreciate if you have a tip or anything to clean the coil after a bit of usage. OHM's are going up to 1.75 using 18 mg 55/50 Cigarillo Liquorice which is a very clear E-Juice.
On the Serpent Mini using the twin coil deck I am using six wraps 2.5mm ID Vandyvape Ni 80 Superfine MTL Fused Clapton Wire, giving about 0.48 OHM. I find going over 25 Watts is more flavour full and have taken it up to 55 Watts for one fast draw if I do more than one draw before it cools down I will get a dry hit. On the single coil deck I am using the same wire five wraps with 3 mm ID giving about 0.18 OHM and also about 25 Watts. Can also go higher but also for only one fast pull. Using Cotton Bacon Ver 2 in Both Builds.
The Zeus X mesh is the Standard 0.2 OHM Kanthal Mesh With the OEM cotton. The OHM reading on the device is 0.18 OHM. Also running at about 25 Watts, have had it up to 50 Watts for a fast draw but slower draws give dry hits at that wattage as do consecutive long fast pulls.
Juice is 18 mg 60/40 Tobacco flavour.
Thanks very much.

 

[BrotherBob]

if the wattage is set high

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[Mordacai]

@Stew1957, with the Serpent Mini at 0.48 ohms I'd say that anywhere between 29 to 36 Watts would probably be a better range to work with.

And with your Zeus X Mesh, sounds as though you have a bit of an issue with the wicking. It's either too much under the mesh, too thick in the tails, or too long in the tails or some combination of these possible issues.

So it may well be worth looking at various reviews and paying close attention to how they go about the wicking, hopefully you'll get it sorted.

 

[Hawise]

I've never heard of a device that changes settings based on airflow, but have you considered trying temperature control (TC)?

With a good TC device, the mod adjusts the power to keep the coil at a constant temperature. That means that with a gentle draw and consequent low airflow, it'll keep the power down to prevent overheating. With a faster draw, the airflow will cool the coil more and the device will increase the power (provided you've set it correctly). It'll also deal with the overheating during the occasional chain vaping session.

I don't know if all your tanks have coils that will work in TC, but you could certainly build one for the Serpent Mini.

 

[Mordacai]

@Hawise, there's Stainless Steel mesh in spools or there's Stainless Steel mesh strips. So you can use TC with mesh, just the resistance gets a little bit interesting.

I have a Steam Crave Aromamizer Plus V2 which I'm using Vandy Vape SS316L mesh on a spool with in TC, the 200 mesh I'm using at the moment reads at around 0.13 ohms.

But I do know that Vandy Vape and Coilology make SS316L MTL clapton wires.

 

[Stew1957]

Thanks very much @Mordacai
Will try the suggestions.

 

[Stew1957]

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Thank you BrotherBob, I am not very familiar with these forums and am not familiar with finding all the relevant places to post to, so took advantage of the default forum I was in at the time. Sorry.

 

[Stew1957]

I've never heard of a device that changes settings based on airflow, but have you considered trying temperature control (TC)?

With a good TC device, the mod adjusts the power to keep the coil at a constant temperature. That means that with a gentle draw and consequent low airflow, it'll keep the power down to prevent overheating. With a faster draw, the airflow will cool the coil more and the device will increase the power (provided you've set it correctly). It'll also deal with the overheating during the occasional chain vaping session.

I don't know if all your tanks have coils that will work in TC, but you could certainly build one for the Serpent Mini.

Thank you very much. I am in fact looking at temperature control as an option and trying to figure how to go about it correctly.

 

[Stew1957]

@Hawise, there's Stainless Steel mesh in spools or there's Stainless Steel mesh strips. So you can use TC with mesh, just the resistance gets a little bit interesting.

I have a Steam Crave Aromamizer Plus V2 which I'm using Vandy Vape SS316L mesh on a spool with in TC, the 200 mesh I'm using at the moment reads at around 0.13 ohms.

But I do know that Vandy Vape and Coilology make SS316L MTL clapton wires.

Thanks again @Mordacai. I am I fact looking for a roll of Vandyvape SS316L mesh. Due to a lot of the lockdown regulations in my country due to the Covoid pandemic, the sale of tobacco and related products is prohibited so sourcing materials is difficult as we aren't even allowed to import them. Glad you mentioned the 200 mesh so I at least know which one to try for. One of our online shows has seven rolls of 150 mesh but can't sell at the moment. Would the 150 mesh also do? I will also get some SS316L Clapton wire. The Serpent Mini has a very tiny deck to work on, what gauge would be best for small coils with a 2.5mm ID?
Thanks.

 

[Mordacai]

Here's a few links for you @Stew1957.

Coilology Official-The Best Vape Coil Manufacturer

Vape Wires | VANDY VAPE® Full Steam Ahead

nexMESH Mesh Coil 10pcs

But as for MTL Clapton type wire suggestions, I unfortunately don't have any really.

But if I was to hazard a guess, the fused Claptons may probably be something that you may like. As they'll have a decent amount of surface area in contact with the wicking, Coilology has 1 listed and Vandy Vape have 2 listed.

And I'm more than willing to help you sort out how to use TC mode, it's not quite the dark art some folks think it to be (that's only if you use an Evolv chipset mod).

It's just set TCR value of the wire used in the coil or coils, set temperature at maximum 250 °C and set the wattage or joules according to the resistance.

If you have an Android phone or tablet, Watt Calculator is a really good simple free app. Just input the resistance and then press calculate to give you a good range to work with.

 

[Stew1957]

Here's a few links for you @Stew1957.
Coilology Official-The Best Vape Coil Manufacturer
Vape Wires | VANDY VAPE® Full Steam Ahead
nexMESH Mesh Coil 10pcs
But as for MTL Clapton type wire suggestions, I unfortunately don't have any really.
But if I was to hazard a guess, the fused Claptons may probably be something that you may like. As they'll have a decent amount of surface area in contact with the wicking, Coilology has 1 listed and Vandy Vape have 2 listed.
And I'm more than willing to help you sort out how to use TC mode, it's not quite the dark art some folks think it to be (that's only if you use an Evolv chipset mod).
It's just set TCR value of the wire used in the coil or coils, set temperature at maximum 250 °C and set the wattage or joules according to the resistance.
If you have an Android phone or tablet, Watt Calculator is a really good simple free app. Just input the resistance and then press calculate to give you a good range to work with.

Thanks for all your help, links and suggestions, really appreciate it.

 

[Mordacai]

No worries @Stew1957.

 

[Katya]

Is there such a thing as an air flow driven device?

I've never heard of such a device. I'm not even sure what you mean by that. I vape MTL style and once I find a wattage that suits me (for any particular atty and coil), my draws are always consistent, so I'm not sure I understand your problem.

For me it is really frustrating how much you have to concentrate on the speed of your draw and if you feel like doing multiple successive draws your coils and juice start cooking as well.

This sounds more like chain-vaping and is generally not advised. Your coil needs a bit of time between draws to cool down, so most of us have at least 2 or 3 devices in constant rotation, but I never had to concentrate on the speed of my draw. I just--draw. Sorry I can't be of more help.

 

[Katya]

Thank you very much. I am in fact looking at temperature control as an option and trying to figure how to go about it correctly.

We have a subforum dedicated to TC: Temperature Control

 

[Stew1957]

We have a subforum dedicated to TC: Temperature Control

Thanks very much. Will go and have a look there.

 

[Stew1957]

I've never heard of such a device. I'm not even sure what you mean by that. I vape MTL style and once I find a wattage that suits me (for any particular atty and coil), my draws are always consistent, so I'm not sure I understand your problem.


This sounds more like chain-vaping and is generally not advised. Your coil needs a bit of time between draws to cool down, so most of us have at least 2 or 3 devices in constant rotation, but I never had to concentrate on the speed of my draw. I just--draw. Sorry I can't be of more help.

LOL. I definitely am not trying to chain vape. I just want to have a few successive draws like you would a cigarette. When you watch the videos of them testing Vaping devices they do it all the time.

 

[Katya]

LOL. I definitely am not trying to chain vape. I just want to have a few successive draws like you would a cigarette. When you watch the videos of them testing Vaping devices they do it all the time.

So do most of us. I've never had an issue with taking several consecutive draws, like from a cigarette, with third and fourth generation atomizers. Zero, nada, zilch. In the early days of vaping, when we only had dripping atties and cartomizers, that was a problem, but not anymore.

I'm just baffled.

 

[Spydro]

@Stew1957 ...

Probably not much help as I have not used them for years... but back in late 2016 when I ran on a ZA forum I bought six Serpent Mini's (three 22mm and three 25mm). They were short lived in my vape kit though as I ran many others, and especially had a half dozen specific ones that I liked much better than any of the others (Geek Vape Avocado's... three 22's and three 24's). I mostly ran the Serpents on TC mods (but not in TC mode)... Sig 213's, Minikin 120W and 150W, Snow Wolf Mini's, etc.

Unfortunately my data base doesn't have ALL the details of how I built/ran them. But from what is in it my builds in the 22's was mostly 26ga 2.5mm coils in the 0.5Ω range, and in the 25's 24ga & 26ga 3.5mm coils in the 0.18Ω-0.36Ω range. I used N80 wire in them. The wattage ran at depended on which of the dozens of DIY liquids I made that I ran in them, and the mod they were on. But typically in the 25W-55W range. I was a DL vaper that took long pulls to fill my lungs completely. HTH.

Serpents on Sigs Sepent on Minikin