FDA Alex Azar promises "streamlined" PMTA approval for small vape businesses

[Anise]

Yeah. My first eliquid was made at a B&M. I vaped house eliquid for the first 6 months till I ventured into other brands. I miss being able to walk in, look in a book for flavors and then get to try whatever I wanted.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah. My first eliquid was made at a B&M. I vaped house eliquid for the first 6 months till I ventured into other brands. I miss being able to walk in, look in a book for flavors and then get to try whatever I wanted.

Yep. ”I would like a 120 of your Peaches & Creme, but 65 VG instead of the normal 50 and with 15mg of nicotine please." Ten minutes later, I'd have it.

I don't really miss those days myself because I learned to DIY, but for someone newish to vaping, it was perfect.

 

[Ipster]

Yep. ”I would like a 120 of your Peaches & Creme, but 65 VG instead of the normal 50 and with 15mg of nicotine please." Ten minutes later, I'd have it.

I don't really miss those days myself ........but for someone newish to vaping, it was perfect.

For someone newish to vaping into it's often the difference between success or temporary trial.
Between the generous B&M owner at my first vape shop, outfitting my tastes to order, and knowledge shared here, I doubt I would've gotten off tobacco. Perfect indeed. Often life saving.

 

[Shcherbina]

1 bottle of glycerin from boots it s £1.50 , 1 bottle of PG from ebay is £3 pounds... Flavorings are about a tenner for a couple... Problem solved...

Really it s a shame the us is going down this path... big tobacco s tail is so persistent...

PMTA is going to limit the new products on the market , it s going to be a .... show... Can u imagine being a company that comes up with a great RTA (for example) and not being able to sell it for a long period of time? and also pay to have it inspected?

 

[Rossum]

PMTA is going to limit the new all products on the market

Fixed that for you. If the manufacturer or importer hasn't filed a PMTA application by the deadline, the product can't (legally) be sold in the US.

At this point the real question is, how vigorous will enforcement be? The regulations have prohibited all "new" products since August of 2016, yet enforcement has been extremely lax.

 

[stols001]

If I were a vape shop owner, I STILL say I'd be courting the nearest native reservation I knew and setting up shop there, and doing a booming e commerce business.

OH the USA would fight away but frankly there is not a TON they can do. We got our tubes and American spirt tobacco from a nearby "reservation" store and they generated a heavy business. It was SO much cheaper without as many taxes.

I can pretty much guarantee that for a small percentage of the profits a TON of reservations would do it JOYFULLY. They really ADORE asserting their native sovereignty.

With that said, places like PA who are ALREADY way out of luck, who geocoded the heck out of all their native tribes, well, that's a problem.

That is ALSO what you GET for deciding, purposefully, to literally genocide every one you can find. PA can be a dark place.

Anna

 

[Shcherbina]

I struggle to understand the way America works... It s all so complicated , with interests left and right. Most of stuff makes no sense.

Personally , I would quit vaping and start smoking again if they would stop flavors in the the UK. What is the point of a vape if I can t enjoy it? Vaping has kept me off analogues for 2 months now. And I alternate between tobacco and fruit flavors... They should inspect and regulate the chemicals inside the E juice , not the flavor.

 

[Wyrdreams]

I struggle to understand the way America works... It s all so complicated , with interests left and right. Most of stuff makes no sense.

Personally , I would quit vaping and start smoking again if they would stop flavors in the the UK. What is the point of a vape if I can t enjoy it? Vaping has kept me off analogues for 2 months now. And I alternate between tobacco and fruit flavors... They should inspect and regulate the chemicals inside the E juice , not the flavor.

US politics in a nutshell: Big tobacco makes a killing, does major lobbying and they saw that the number of people smoking tobacco decreased and so did their sales. Big tobacco tries their hand at the vape market: Juul. Juul kills people due to nicotine levels. Big tobacco goes to government and complains that vaping is ruining their business and they won't line their pockets anymore if it isn't quashed. Government says vaping kills, strawman's all vape products, cites some vape products have illicit drugs specifically Fentanyl and killing ppl (true. They did it to increase addiction. People didn't know it was in the products. That's illegal, go get the fentanyl pushers), includes vaping deaths from DIY mixers who were pumping 120mg of nic salts, includes deaths from children buying off the street, and blames flavors instead of marketing and street sales for children addiction.
So, they vow to end vaping. Big tobacco celebrates.

 

[stols001]

Okay. I hate big tobacco also but I KNOW some of those things didn't happen. I also highly doubt vaping 120mg nicotine would kill you. I think you would be on your knees, puking your guts out long before you'd be dead.

So, I would be interested in some citations for some of those things. It doesn't do vaping any good to claim things that are simply not true.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

Personally , I would quit vaping and start smoking again if they would stop flavors in the the UK. What is the point of a vape if I can t enjoy it?

For me, it's to get my nicotine while satisfying the hand/mouth/inhale habit, but without the nasty side effects of smoking that had become rather pronounced after 3-1/2 decades. In fact, I use very little flavoring anymore, and

They should inspect and regulate the chemicals inside the E juice , not the flavor.

There are only three chemicals in e-juice other than the flavorings -- PG, VG, and nictine. The flavorings are the biggest unknown when it comes to health effects of vaping. Sure, they're all "food grade" and approved for ingestion, but most haven't been studied for inhalation safety, nor has much work been done to see what happens to them when they're heated to the temperatures they reach on a coil. Thus what you're asking is essentially impossible.

That said, I think they should leave us alone entirely. But I also understand that's not gonna happen.

 

[Michael card]

Both! All companies involved with the manufacturing, importation, and retail of ENDS in the USA need to submit a PMTA. So retailers would essentially be applying and paying for almost everything they sell in the store! Not for say 20 of the same item, that would only be considered one, but for every different brand of eliquid or different type of device, or SKU (stock keeping unit). Hope that helps, I'm still a little confused myself. What is a PMTA?

Dollar Ejuice said something about it and how reg mailmen(reg 14 day ground) either no longer be available or would require age verification signature plus extra 15$ fee beyond reg shipping cost.Not sure pmta has anything to do with that but urged us to write or call our local senators to avoid it from passing

 

[Michael card]

It helps a little, but it certainly doesn't lower the bar to the point where a a Mom & Pop B&M can get approval to mix and sell their own liquids like they used to.

I'm trying to order my first Diy kit due to flavor ban here in NY after watching hundreds of vids n using EJUICE calculators (simulated) so positive i can do it but already met resistance with liquid barn who won't send me anything,another company said they,d send everything but flavor concentrates n 3 others said they would send anything I needed.I can get 250 mg salt n reg nic which should last awhile but my GF is completely against me diy my own juice cause she thinks u need to be a chemist.We've been lucky enough to find online store who turned a blind eye or haven't noticed they've been sending my reg adv to NY..there's still a few that will risk it for their livelihood so tryna stock up before they catch on..then I will be diying despite my GF arguments.. And she vapes a simple menthol mint which I'm positive I can make her something close to what she's vaping..me? Id be happy with blu razz or strawberry cream or apple ice..can't believe how coorupt this all is.If they ban flavs or vaping,they should ban the real killer..cigarettes!!! Its BS.Ban those n I'll quit vaping,otherwise we fight back period

 

[Rossum]

I can get 250 mg salt n reg nic which should last awhile but my GF is completely against me diy my own juice cause she thinks u need to be a chemist.

Nope, if you can make a mixed drink, you can make e-liquid. However, you might want to consider starting with 100 mg nic rather than 250. 250 is really strong stuff and thus will multiply any measurement errors. Of course, 250 can be cut down to 100 easily enough...