All are 808 batteries but some work with the boge LR cartos and others dont, why??

[CoughingBad]

Really need some help here I am pulling my hair out..

I have several kr8 batteries from V4L, and i am using the boge LR cartos with them, well 2 of them.

I got a kit from V4L and the boge cartos work perfectly with the batteries in the kit. I then ordered some new Logo'd and manual batteries batteries. None of them work with the boge cartos. But these batteries work with other cartos ie V4L and Bloog cartos. So simply said both the boge cartos and the batteries are in working condition but they just dont work with each other.8-o

I unscrewed the cartoes and looked at the inside of both batteries, although they are both the kr808 batteries, but i notice they are not the same. The one comes with the kit has a recessed groove in the center of the connector. The new batteries i received do not, nor do the manual batteries.

I really like the boge cartos, they are kr808 cartos so i dont understand why they only work with the batteries that come with the kit, and not any of the other batteries.

Anyone else has experienced this issue?

Some pictures hopefully help....
Working battery has this connector:

Non working battery has this connector:

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[SnowDragon]

Center post height is probably the issue and it is a relatively easy fix. The batteries are designed for V4L cartos so it looks like you have a choice on the fix. You can either alter your Cartos or alter your battery. In either case if you have a thick paper clip or something similar place one end just inside the center hole of either the batt or Carto, then apply pressure downward pressure at an angle, you should see the post on either rise a little bit on one side, the repeat after turning the batt or Carto 180 degrees.

This should hopefully give you a good connection and work for you. I've had great luck with V4L Premium Cool Cartos, might want to rethink giving those a try.

Hope this helps! Let us know...

 

[CoughingBad]

Thanks SnowDragon for the response.

Dont have any paperclip on hand so i will have to steal one from my office desk tomorrow I am not sure if i fully understand what exactly to do it with the paperclip, i might come back with question.

I did try using a flat screwdriver and turn the carto either clockwise or counter-clockwise, both with no result.

I do have the coolcartos, however i like these low resistance ones better. They are wonderful with the batteries that come in the kit, just not with the other batteries, grrrr....

So why do the batteries look different? They are both 808 from V4L. I also looked at the connectors on the cartos, they look pretty much the same... I am so confused....

 

[Mmc]

I just opened a box of cowboy menthol, and the carto works fine on my xl manual, but will not work on my xl auto- that's weird

 

[JenJen]

I seem to remember this from way back when the batteries changed. It is the notch that is the difference. Some of the older batteries do have them, but new ones don't. Cartos with a notch will work on batteries without a notch, but cartos without the notch and batteries without the notch won't work together. There has to be a notch.

Somebody chime in and correct me if I'm wrong - this is just a vague memory I have of when the batts changed. Initially, I believe it was a difference with autos and manuals. If I remember correctly, the older cartos wouldn't work with the newer autos because the old cartos didn't have a notch?

God, it sucks getting old, but I guess it beats the alternative eh? lol

 

[keyzygirl]

Your right Jen,One of them has to have the slot in the connector.There is something called the staple mod that people were doing to make them work but I dont know what it is.Youll have to search for it.No notch=No airflow.

 

[wader2k]

Since our Cartos have a notch, it shouldn't matter if the battery does or doesn't. Either will work.

Snowdragon has it right. It has to be an issue with the height of the center post in the battery and carto not making contact. Either the post in the carto or the battery can be lifted just slightly to help it make electrical contact.


edit. If those cartos didn't come from us....make sure they have a slot in the center post.

 

[CoughingBad]

How about pictures of cartos, they both have the center slots, i cant tell what is the difference. I tried the paper clip trick, not sure if i am doing it right. I decided to do it on the batteries so i dont have to do it everytime with the cartos. Got it to work with one of the manual batteries, but the others still dont work, no matter how i tried to lift it. Again, i might be doing it wrong...

Working carto:

Non working carto:

 

[Ruppy]

Ive run into that with a few brands. Turning the center post with a screwdriver counterclockwise always has done it for me.

 

[CoughingBad]

i also tried that. First of all its hard to get a grip of the post, but i did manage to turn it, little by little, still no life (again only on the newer batteries)

 

[wader2k]

Turning isn't really helpful as much as pulling it out slightly. I've even used a needle nose to grab it and pull. But just a little.

 

[CoughingBad]

i was wondering where do you find those needle nose pliers, i actually went to the hardware store to look for it, but none of them will fit in the carto/battery.

 

[jamvector]

Just straighten a regular paper clip, and bend a small (2 mm) section of the tip at a 90 degree angle to make a little hook. Stick it in the battery hole and lift slightly; makes all the difference in the world. You can also use a push pin, just insert at an angle and lift from the inside at two or three positions to uniformly or evenly raise the central conductor.

 

[keyzygirl]

I use jewelers pliers from the craft store.They are smaller than the regular ones.

 

[jamvector]

I should add that V4L will never recommend sticking sharp objects into the battery hole, especially for autos, thus the pliers recommendations. If you do use a pointed object, just stick it in far enough to make contact with the underside of the central conductor battery hole, and lift gently in a couple spots to raise it up a little. Doesn't take much, it's a subtle problem but remedied very easily with either miniature pliers or a small probe of some type. Hemostat clamps work very well also.

 

[wader2k]

Any number of things will work....my favorite little carto tool is the spring clip from a small binder clip.

If you're not sure what I am referring to...it is one of these:

OIC Medium Binder Clips 1 14 Wide 58 Capacity Black Box Of 12 by Office Depot

Something else I have used is a very small crochet hook or knitting needle.

 

[keyzygirl]

I love those mini screwdrivers sets,they are really cheap and soooooo handy.I think they even have them at the dollar store.

 

[CoughingBad]

Thank you all so much for trying to help.

I have used the jewelry plier, too big.

I also tried the paper clip with the hook tip (thanks jamvector for the detailed description), this did work for one of the short manual batteries, but i tried it on the regular auto, dont work. I mean, i can see it has lifted but still, no life.

I bought a lot of these boge cartos because i really like them, it just is so frustrating i cant get them to work with the kr8 batteries, which i also like a lot. As of now I am left with one option, use these batteries with the bloog cartos, they do work together, just that the boge is cheaper and is more economical for me.

At this point I dont know what else to try... many many thanks to all of you, really appreciate all your help!!

 

[jamvector]

The last thing you can try is the staple mod. This is simply placing a small wire on top of the central battery post to make contact with the center post of the carto. To do this, you will need to have a wire cutter, then cut one short end off a staple. Carefully position it in the carto or battery slot holding it upright so it doesn't roll away, then gently screw the battery down into the carto from the top. If everything is positioned correctly, you should have a strong contact between both center posts of the battery and carto. Obviously this isn't a great technique for routine use, but it will determine whether your problem is contact between the two center posts, or if it is something else. There are other options besides staples of course, any small conductor that does not completely cover the battery hole and does not extend past the diameter of the center post will work.

 

[CoughingBad]

The last thing you can try is the staple mod. This is simply placing a small wire on top of the central battery post to make contact with the center post of the carto. To do this, you will need to have a wire cutter, then cut one short end off a staple. Carefully position it in the carto or battery slot holding it upright so it doesn't roll away, then gently screw the battery down into the carto from the top. If everything is positioned correctly, you should have a strong contact between both center posts of the battery and carto. Obviously this isn't a great technique for routine use, but it will determine whether your problem is contact between the two center posts, or if it is something else. There are other options besides staples of course, any small conductor that does not completely cover the battery hole and does not extend past the diameter of the center post will work.

Thanks again jam, so this is what i did, i cut the short end of a staple, put it in the connector slot in the carto, screw the battery in, nothing happens