All my mods part1

[illuxion]

I'm not discouraged, hell I haven't cut, burned, or maimed myself in any way, so the project can't be over yet lol.

It's wicking for me since I abandoned telescope tube, but it doesn't seem right, the vapor doesn't look very dense and on exhale there is nothing. I also have the condensation problem when I cover it and have 2 air holes slightly below the coil which should be pulling air from under the coil and bringing it out when I suck. I know I'm getting nic because I played with it for about 10 minutes then realized my tummy was upset and that I had a great nic buzz going on lol so the juice is flowing, it's just not loads of vapor and the taste is funny. If I put a drop on it, it takes a little bit then it makes good vapor and tastes good, then it goes away again.

my latest wick this is 325 with 32ga

 

[WillyB]

... it's wicking for me since I abandoned telescope tube, but it doesn't seem right, the vapor doesn't look very dense and on exhale there is nothing. I also have the condensation problem when I cover it and have 2 air holes slightly below the coil which should be pulling air from under the coil and bringing it out when I suck. I know I'm getting nic because I played with it for about 10 minutes then realized my tummy was upset and that I had a great nic buzz going on lol so the juice is flowing, it's just not loads of vapor and the taste is funny. If I put a drop on it, it takes a little bit then it makes good vapor and tastes good, then it goes away again.

my latest wick this is 325 with 32ga

I don't know LUX, in all of Raidy's pics and diagrams he always shows 3 wraps of wire to your 8. I'd also dump some of that heavy duty hardware you are using to simply hold some wire. With all that mass it may be acting like a giant heatsink not allowing the wire to work properly.

If I put a drop on it, it takes a little bit then it makes good vapor and tastes good

Well doesn't that sound like a wicking problem? In your current configuration there is not enough liquid being made available to sustain any vapor.

 

[asdaq]

Gummi, Illuxion, sounds like you are getting all throat hit and no visible vapor. Besides the mesh size, kanthal gauge I found something about the wick roll that adds another factor in this. The tube spiral should be 2-4 ply, 2 better for vapor and 4 for TH. Also a vid from another user to show us that vapor is quite possible too, alluding to other similar cases. If nothing else, a little listening comprehension for all to enjoy:

Yeah Illuxion, you are too dry and possibly overheating too.

 

[Gummy Bear]

With all that mass it may be acting like a giant heatsink not allowing the wire to work properly.

Isn't that what the ceramic cups do in stock attys/cartos ?
but it does look like the wick needs to be wrapped tighter, not like a hollow tube.

 

[illuxion]

I don't know LUX, in all of Raidy's pics and diagrams he always shows 3 wraps of wire to your 8. I'd also dump some of that heavy duty hardware you are using to simply hold some wire. With all that mass it may be acting like a giant heatsink not allowing the wire to work properly.


Well doesn't that sound like a wicking problem? In your current configuration there is not enough liquid being made available to sustain any vapor.

He was using 36 gauge, with 36ga 3 wraps is about 3-3.5 ohms, with 32ga you need more wraps, 3 wraps is like 1ohm. Also with kanthal the wire itself gets hot in every place throughout the wire, having the big standoffs shouldn't affect it, it is more apt to turn red where those few mm of wire aren't touching anything. I tried it with both standoffs removed and the wires just hooked through other wires. It definitely is getting hot enough, like I said if I drip on it, it works fine, after the drop goes up in steam whats left isn't so good. I know it is wicking, I just think not fast enough. I let it go for about 10 minutes and it drank 2ml and my office smells great lol.

 

[illuxion]

Gummi, Illuxion, sounds like you are getting all throat hit and no visible vapor. Besides the mesh size, kanthal gauge I found something about the wick roll that adds another factor in this. The tube spiral should be 2-4 ply, 2 better for vapor and 4 for TH. Also a vid from another user to show us that vapor is quite possible too, alluding to other similar cases. If nothing else, a little listening comprehension for all to enjoy:

Yeah Illuxion, you are too dry and possibly overheating too.

HOLY COW, that's what I'm talking about, vapor and more vapor!!! I'll keep trying. My current one isn't a hollow tube it's actually pretty loose inside.

 

[Gummy Bear]

asdaq,
Thanks for the link. I am getting ever bit that much smoke if I just puff, puff, puff and don't inhale it.
I see that in the video they looked to inhale after several puffs. Mine won't do that. If I inhale there is nothing to blow out.

And I have tried at least 30 different wick wrapping techniques. 1 wrap 2,3, 10,,, loose, tight. no wick at all even.

 

[asdaq]

Oh I didn't mean so much wick wrapping with kanthal, more wick rolling. 2 ply like toilet paper, but spaced out in between not pressed together like toilet paper.

Raidy says he likes throat hit over vapor, but others often find it too overbearing. Since they are his mods, he most likely has them set the way he likes them so going by pics is bound to be more difficult. But there must be some built for vapor.

Also, there isn't really a requirement for a SS tube to put the mesh through, often it is just a hole through thicker metal with the mesh stuck through. That could be starving the mesh for juice.

Just got a l3oertije style carto done today. My Ofenschnur tastes way to Bio in a way that needs fixing, phew!

 

[Gummy Bear]

Well it will only take a few min.s to try one more thing.
Now before I try it let me make sure that I understand you.

Do you want me to cut 2 squares of mesh and roll them together into 1 roll? one inside the other?
or
Cut only 1 sheet and roll it only around 2 or 3 times?

 

[asdaq]

Option 2. But when looking at the end you should see a loose spiral, not a tight tube.

Ply like layers

I don't think I've seen pics from that angle anywhere, but like ' @ ' not ' o '

 

[Gummy Bear]

OK, (been there, done that) I thought that you wanted 2 ply, as in 2 sheets. one wrapped around each other.

 

[Mentat Ix]

Hm. Most discouraging. I think I'll play with raidy's wine cork scheme before I get all creative. Whenever my stuff arrives..

Sucks that raidy's gone for weeks now.

 

[asdaq]

Ok Jan from Holland got the mesh size sorted and this one worked and you can see the 4 layered spiral:

 

[badkolo]

im not sure how well the ss mesh wick is working for you guys but from what raidy said and what i can see in your guys pics you need to roll up more wick, it needs to be tighter and more of it. ive used ss mesh with liquids and oils in the past and tighter it is the better it wicks.

 

[roygodbold]

I've also been wondering about the photo where the mesh wick has around 4 'spirals'. Somewhere in all of these posts raidy mentioned to
start with the mesh 14-15mm wide and roll to 2-3mm. That seems impossible to get 4 layers. Or am I totally missing something?

 

[nofalls]

I think I'll turn off the cell phone this weekend

Nice! Looking super clean.

 

[peaceoffcake]

Nice! Looking super clean.

I pay 50.00$ each. They must be super clean

 

[Willriker]

I've also been wondering about the photo where the mesh wick has around 4 'spirals'. Somewhere in all of these posts raidy mentioned to
start with the mesh 14-15mm wide and roll to 2-3mm. That seems impossible to get 4 layers. Or am I totally missing something?

raidy sayd to roll to 2mm OD. Somewhere in the thread people started to get confused and thought he meant 2 mm ID.

 

[nofalls]

I've been reading over at the German thread... alot. My son now thinks his name is dampfhoffer and I know more German that after two semesters in college. There are some great pic's of different configurations. He made an atty with some heatshrink covered threaded standoffs, a tube, some aquarium silicone calk and the normal heater wire and mesh on page 172. The Google will not directly translate the pages. I have been skimming and copy/pasting bits into the language tool. All I can say is Raidy is very inventive, into motorcycles, Graunper RC models, has a small mill lathe combo and drilled a hole in his finger a couple of months ago. Did I mention inventive? There is another guy, Jan, a Norgy, that has also made some very nice PVs. I'm at about post 1919, pg 192 of 195 and my brain has gone to mush.

 

[nofalls]

I pay 50.00$ each. They must be super clean

Yikes! Unless that is Kuna...

50$ is about $9 American.

You need to make some machinest friends. They tend to like either guns or cars... and if you don't break the lathe, or yourself, they will start to slowly trust you around the shop.