All my mods part1

[Fernand]

Since they had no stainless, I had a choice between plain steel wool and bronze wool at the hardware store to try as cartridge filler (for Mega eGo cartridges). The bronze was working OK until i ran into a watermelon flavored juice with apparently a lot of water. Duh. Dark junk formed on the metal, but it remained shiny where the bridge made contact. I suppose that what formed there was pulled into the bridge (shudder!). Maybe copper/brass pipes are like that, we just don't see the corrosion products that get washed into the stream? Without enough oxygen maybe only traces are formed? People had no inkling their plumbing was toxic, until recently lead was used for pipes, the word "plumbing" comes from "lead".

We've come long way in the West, i like Raidy's approach, but it's a way of thinking that's a luxury to less developed economies. Having spent time there, and seeing how the cartomizer materials and cartridge fillers roast -- it's positively insane, and what DO they use for the wick -- I wouldn't think Chinese factories would be terribly concerned or proactive about metals.

As to that lethal injection procedure, since we are accustomed to the alcohol swab, not using it would make it look somehow like they're not really performing a neutral clinical function, that they are endangering the patient, maybe hurting him ;-)

 

[Gummy Bear]

I think we can use a brass spoon, we can drink in a brass glass, but, the point is the corrosion and the temp... what happens with the brass in contact with eliquid ??? what happens with brass in a chamber at high temp ??? what happens with the vapor particles touching brass element ??? May be someone with the apropiate knowledge can clarify to us.

somebody knows some brass element that is food friendly at present ? I know we use brass in all our plumbing connections, and also hot water connections may be brass...

The corrosion is the question. eliquid, alcohol, PG, VG...and the vapor itself touching brass.... What it happens with this?

Persis ask a lot of good questions so here is the answer.


FDA Food Code:
4-101.14 Copper, Use Limitation.*

(A) Except as specified in ¶ (B) of this section, copper and copper alloys such as brass may not be used in contact with a FOOD that has a pH below 6 such as vinegar, fruit JUICE, or wine or for a fitting or tubing installed between a backflow prevention device and a carbonator.

The pH of propylene glycol is 9 to 9.5

So what is the problem?

source citations:
Raypak: The Hot Water Management Experts (for stated pH)
Foodservice.com: Food Safety Information for Restaurants and the Foodservice Industry (for FDA food code)

 

[WillyB]

I seem to be way too tolerant of glucose (keep having to buy larger pants). I should probably avoid chromium...

Just the opposite. I don't have to a Doctor to spot pre-Type II diabetics.

There is a positive correlation between obesity and insulin resistance (and Type II diabetes). Insulin, because it is a hormone that signals increased fat storage, decreases the ability to lose weight if present in higher than normal amounts. Thus, chromium may have overcome insulin resistance in these overweight subjects and thereby facilitated fat loss.

 

[Quick1]

It appears that VG has a ph of 7.0 for those of us who prefer that.
(maybe that's why Atomic Cynacide does strange things... low ph?)

 

[Fernand]

I superficially thought bronze wool might be OK, it looked like copper -- but it sure wasn't with that MFS Watermelon. I wonder what was darkening my bronze filler, it sure was ugly. Yes, I know, it wasn't a good material. The clean area where the bridge touches was SO perfectly delineated before I messed with it



Although neither copper nor iron salts are very toxic, the Merck says "Indian childhood cirrhosis, non-Indian childhood cirrhosis, and idiopathic copper toxicity are probably identical disorders in which excess copper causes cirrhosis. All appear to be caused by ingesting milk that has been boiled or stored in corroded copper or brass vessels."

BTW, may I ask in this august company, what have y'all found for cartridge filler?

 

[CSR]

Ahhh - German made. ya

 

[haft2doit]

anyone found the length limitation of the ss mesh. Is 4cm from coil to bottom of tank as long as one can make the wick while still getting the juice to the coil? 4cm would be fine I just want to know how big to make the chamber.

 

[nofalls]

BTW, may I ask in this august company, what have y'all found for cartridge filler?

I must be weird or something. I still use the white stuff that came in the carts when I bought them. I have washed the little bits in a bag in the laundry without softener. My no wrinkle pants are not supposed to be washed with softener and I figure the wife is not going to need the bag for her bras in that load. They have not given me any trouble. In fact I was thinking it might be good to stuff it around the ss mesh in a genisis to help transport the liquid.

 

[Jensb]

anyone found the length limitation of the ss mesh. Is 4cm from coil to bottom of tank as long as one can make the wick while still getting the juice to the coil? 4cm would be fine I just want to know how big to make the chamber.

you can make the mesh about 1m lenght. i believe i readed somewhere that capillar works up to 10m.

Offtopic:I´m a plant grower where we use this systems since years without any problems.
We have sometimes pipes who are arround 2m and we fill it with peat and the water comes through the end
look at trees, how they do it. some trees are more as 20m and they still get the water from the ground to the top

 

[haft2doit]

I should clarify. The distance water travels up from a container depends on the diameter of the tube. (trees have very small tubes) The properties of the e liquid is different than that of water, And the diameter of the wick tube dictates how far the liquid will rise. What I was asking is with the 2mm outer diameter tube, how far will e liquid travel before gravity gets the better of it? Oh and secondly should the bottom of the wick be held together to keep the rigidity of the tube intact all the way to the bottom of the container?

 

[asdaq]

It isn't the space inside the tube that does the wicking, it is the space between the wires in the mesh that do the wicking. More like a sponge than a straw.

 

[Willriker]

I should clarify. The distance water travels up from a container depends on the diameter of the tube. (trees have very small tubes) The properties of the e liquid is different than that of water, And the diameter of the wick tube dictates how far the liquid will rise. What I was asking is with the 2mm outer diameter tube, how far will e liquid travel before gravity gets the better of it? Oh and secondly should the bottom of the wick be held together to keep the rigidity of the tube intact all the way to the bottom of the container?

The surface tension of e-juice is greater than water. A quick experiment you can do to verify this it so place one drop of water on the counter top, and place one drop of e juice next to it. Look at both drops from the side veiw. Naturally fluids will want to take a spherical shape. youll notice that the e-juice droplet will look more sphereical than the water droplet. This is due to the intermolecular forces that are behind surface tension.

Those very same intermolecular forces behind surface tension also cause the capillary effect. So, if anything youll will see that e-juice will move along a capillary easier than water.

It isn't the space inside the tube that does the wicking, it is the space between the wires in the mesh that do the wicking. More like a sponge than a straw.

It is both the tube and the space between the wires.

from the wiki, "Capillary action means either of two things:

1) When liquid moves through thin tubes
2) When liquid moves through something that is full of little holes (like a sponge)

Capillary action is a result of the surface tension of liquids.

One example of capillary action is that inside a drinking straw left in a cup of water. What holds the water together and to the straw is a little stronger than gravity, so the water will rise inside the straw a little higher than the rest of the water.

Another example is putting a sponge in a puddle of water. The little bubbles in the sponge work like a bunch of little straws all stuck together. When you dip the sponge in water, the water goes a little bit into the holes, and then the bubbles that are inside the sponge can pull on the water that they touch."

 

[asdaq]

Quite pleased to find mesh in my mailbox today, and they took the hint and threw in an 'extra' #400

 

[Willriker]

oh nice! hehehehe

 

[ecitek]

For those who have successfully built a Genesis:

1) Can you describe the difference in vapor production and flavor from standard attys?

2) What voltage are you using?

3) Do you have to alter the nic content? (I had to cut WAY down on nic with my "Carlos Juicebox" or it was too much)

4) Does the mesh get hot at the base where it goes through the cap?

 

[roadrash]

Quite pleased to find mesh in my mailbox today, and they took the hint and threw in an 'extra' #400

I guess we know what you will be doing for a while. Rolly, Rolly, Rolly. :>)

 

[arjay55]

Thanks for the easy to understand info. Explains it well.

The surface tension of e-juice is greater than water. A quick experiment you can do to verify this it so place one drop of water on the counter top, and place one drop of e juice next to it. Look at both drops from the side veiw. Naturally fluids will want to take a spherical shape. youll notice that the e-juice droplet will look more sphereical than the water droplet. This is due to the intermolecular forces that are behind surface tension.

Those very same intermolecular forces behind surface tension also cause the capillary effect. So, if anything youll will see that e-juice will move along a capillary easier than water.





It is both the tube and the space between the wires.

from the wiki, "Capillary action means either of two things:

1) When liquid moves through thin tubes
2) When liquid moves through something that is full of little holes (like a sponge)

Capillary action is a result of the surface tension of liquids.

One example of capillary action is that inside a drinking straw left in a cup of water. What holds the water together and to the straw is a little stronger than gravity, so the water will rise inside the straw a little higher than the rest of the water.

Another example is putting a sponge in a puddle of water. The little bubbles in the sponge work like a bunch of little straws all stuck together. When you dip the sponge in water, the water goes a little bit into the holes, and then the bubbles that are inside the sponge can pull on the water that they touch."

 

[DC2]

I don't understand any of what any of you are saying, but I'm glad I found this thread.
I spent all day reading the whole darn thing.

A beer in texas, a beer in california..... some more, and i make a U.S. tour

Come to San Diego and I'll take you to Stone Brewery.
You'l get great beer AND great food.


Us folks in San Diego have been recognized as making the best beer in the world!!
Yes, believe it.

 

[ImYourSalt]

I love my Stone!

I just caught up now.... phew!

I'm probably gonna make one. Just don't have the money to go around and order all these parts right now. Plus I probably don't need a whole sq. foot!
Does anybody have some extras they could spare? SS Mesh or Kanthal/Nichrome Wire? I'm sure I can figure the rest out. (Those ceramic fuses look like a great idea!)

I have a 5ml syring that is almost (maybe) exactly the same diameter as an ego battery. thinking about shoving the Genesis in there!

 

[ImYourSalt]

Has anyone found any good US suppliers for the mesh. I found 1 that will sell a 3x3" swatch for $25 after shipping but I would rather get more than 3x3 and if you get a square foot they require you to get 5 of them making it $90 after shipping. I just want something like a square foot for $25 after shipping.

Is this what we're looking for???
304 Stainless Steel SS Wire 325 Mesh 9.875" x 8.25" - eBay (item 320554409862 end time Nov-24-10 07:44:19 PST)

was it the 30% or the 40% open area ????