Alternative to Tobacco Absolute?

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jb007gd

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Hi all! I've searched through the forms and haven't found exactly what I'm looking for. If this is been discussed already please accept my apologies.

Basically, I'm looking to replicate or come close to that delicious tobacco flavor of Johnson Creek Red Oak Domestic. I found a few recipes that call for Tobacco Absolute, so I ordered some up and gave it a try. WOW. Now I know where Silverthorn comes from. Unfortunately, I find that particular taste of Tobacco Absolute to be incredibly awful. Even distilled down, mixed with EM and added to a juice in the tiniest amount, I can taste that particular and very recognisable flavor. And I don't like it one bit. :-X

I'm wondering if anyone is aware of a tobacco flavor that is close to the richness and fullness that I taste in Johnson Creek's Domestic that I could use as a base? I have heard of Tobacco Extract which is apparently related to the Absolute, but I couldn't tell explicitly from reviews if that Extract carries the same distinct flavor that the Absolute has.

Hope I made sense. :) Thanks in advance for any advice you have, and happy vaping!

-Jay
 
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Most tobacco recipes require a steep.. anywhere from a few days to a month or more, so don't be too impatient and don't throw trials away.. put them aside

Understood. I definitely won't pitch the juice, but to me that Tobacco Absolute has this distinct and identifiable smell/taste, like a wet ashtray. Maybe by a stroke of good fortune that could get covered up as time goes by, but I'm not holding my breath. ;-)

I suppose I could have phrased my original question differently and not mentioned the TA at all: does anyone know how to replicate (or come close to) the awesome tobacco flavor Johnson Creek has in their Domestic juice? The Tennessee Cured seems to be cut from the same cloth, albeit sweeter. I've searched for copycat recipes and the ones I found all mention "that which shall not be named" as the tobacco base.
 

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Ah, you've only tried one TA. I'll bet it was from a typical Virgina type tobacco and it has a strong green-ish hay note.

That means you haven't tried a TA made from Rustica. Harder to find, but like the more common TA it's easier to use if you dilute it down to 10% in PGA.

Don't know if what you are finding distasteful is just a product of absolute or the product of the starting leaf though...
 

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I bought the 50% diluted TA from The Flavor Apprentice. I used four drops in 10ml of liquid sweetener (EM). From that, 1ml went into a 15ml batch of juice. Even though I had caramel and vanilla and butternut-vanilla flavoring in there, man I tasted that TA and I knew that flavor instantly. It tasted exactly - EXACTLY- like Johnson Creek Silverthorn.

Does the Rustica based TA lack that grassy hay flavor? I hope? :)

Dmbryan, thanks for the tip - I'll add that to my next order from ECX!
 

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Ah, you've only tried one TA. I'll bet it was from a typical Virgina type tobacco and it has a strong green-ish hay note.

That means you haven't tried a TA made from Rustica. Harder to find, but like the more common TA it's easier to use if you dilute it down to 10% in PGA.

All right Hoosier give it up, where do you get Rustica TA? Passing glance taken at different TA's and haven't gotten back to it but you brought it up. I've been using different tobacco blends to get the different TA tastes. It'd probably simplify some mixes to just add different TA flavor. I'll play with them regardless.
 

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I don't know, folks are getting weirded out with describing a tobacco without using a tobacco reference point. (I guess "woody with a background of high lemon note" for wine would really have them scratching their heads?)

I'm just out there trying stuff. I usually lean toward vendors I know, came up with the early DIY community and/or were part of the early DIY community, and when I'm looking for a specific flavor note, I will try just about anything to find it. The rustica TA was just one of those times I was looking for a specific note and the first place I found that had it. Not sure I have any more sources that are "off the radar" like that place.

Researching specific notes is nearly impossible anyway as flavorist tend to be secretive.
 
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