An Exercise in Ambiguity

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DC2

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I think vaping may be helping to open what the ANTZ may consider a large can of worms at this point, nicotine as a medication.

It's to early and their masters don't have full control yet, they can't afford to have a safe form in the wild.
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As far as the question of whether or not nicotine is significantly addictive...

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties. However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential.
tobacco smoke contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman, norharman, anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. These compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers. MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOI's and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.


Here is similar information from a study by an Arizona State professor emeritus...
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University

And here is a recent study from the Institute of Environment Research...
Nicotine Is Not the Sole Addiction Causing Agent in Cigarettes

Penelope Truman, from ESR (Institute of Environmental Science and Research) presented a study at this week's Smokefree Oceania conference in Auckland, New Zealand. She conducted this study on rats using pure nicotine and tobacco particulate matter (TPM) along with cigarettes and roll- your-own RYO/TPM and found that the rats were more eager to get a dose of non-nicotinic cigarette especially RYO/TPM than doses of cigarettes containing pure nicotine.


And you might want to check these out too...

Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurode... : Neurology Today
Obviously the results of small studies often aren't replicated in larger studies, but at least nicotine certainly looks safe. And we've seen absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. There doesn't seem to be any abuse liability whatsoever in taking nicotine by patch in non-smokers. That's reassuring.”

Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis
No withdrawal symptoms suggesting nicotine addiction have been reported either after 4–6 weeks of therapy in short-term studies, or after a period of up to 6 months in the only long-term study available.
 

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Don't think I don't appreciate all of these links and comments, I do. I'm just wondering how the heck you find the time to find them. I have a hard enough time to read them all. Now I have another addiction, ah, affliction, ah...well what ever it is I just keep reading.
Thanks to all for the great information!
I collect useful links and try to find opportunities to share them.
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My main concerns are to educate vapers so they are prepared to fight the lies, propaganda, and decades of brainwashing.

Nicotine is NOT evil, though the world has been led to believe that to be the case.
In fact, it really isn't a whole lot different from caffeine in it's effect or it's danger for the most part.

And yet we are demonized by people sitting their sipping on their coffee.
How can I possibly sit idly by while that is happening?
 

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And I just discovered a new one:


Posadas I, López-Hernández B, Ceña V. Nicotinic receptors in neurodegeneration. Curr Neuropharmacol. 2013 May;11(3):298-314. doi: 10.2174/1570159X11311030005.

The present review describes the main characteristics of nAChRs in the CNS and focuses on the various compounds that have been tested and are currently in phase I and phase II trials for the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases including PD, AD and age-associated memory and mild cognitive impairment.

In this sense, accumulating evidences indicates that α4ß2, α6ß2 and α7 nAChRs are the main subtypes involved in the improvement of attention and cognition as well as in the neuroprotective and antidepressant properties exerted by nicotine.

A rare treat...link to the full article: Nicotinic Receptors in Neurodegeneration
 
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Am I reading this wrong or in Future Perspectives is he talking about trying to design a drug that is patentable that will do the same thing as nicotine?

I believe you are reading it correctly. A company called Targacept has been working on this premise for several years and has drugs in the pipeline.

Our NNR Therapeutics are designed to selectively modulate the activity of specific NNRs considered relevant to particular disease states, while limiting adverse side effects. We work both independently and with academic and industry collaborators to seek breakthrough treatment options for patients.

http://www.targacept.com/therapeutic-pipeline/overview.cfm
 

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I had read some things a while ago about this idea of making a drug that's like nicotine, but not, and it struck me as a such a colossal waste of time, money, and research. Why does the wheel have to be reinvented? Nature has produced this compound, that when purified seems to have quite a few benefits, and perhaps fewer detrimental side effects than many pharmaceuticals in use today. Aside from the control issues that DC2 mentioned, I think it also has something to do with public perception. How many people are going to willingly take nicotine with the reputation it has? Most people think it's the compound that causes cancer. They think it's pure evil.
 

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Here is another voice on the subject Neurologist Dr Jacques Le Houezec is the Honorary Lecturer, UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies, University of Nottingham, England, a founder member of The Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco and manager of treatobacco.net. You can find him blogging at Le Blog de Jacques Le Houzeq.
It has been shown that nicotine can help in many conditions (e.g. depression, Parkinson disease, Schizophrenia…), but it has not been studied extensively, there is a clear need for more research. The main problem is that nicotine cannot be patented, it is a natural substance, so one would need to use a modified molecule, close enough to nicotine, to obtain the desired effect, and then to do clinical studies to demonstrate its effect. The pharmaceutical industry has not been very active in this domain despite some encouragements from researchers.
https://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2013/12/houzaq-interview-nicotine-eliquid.html Ooops...seems like several of us found out about this at the same time.
 

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Gosh I read through this entire thread before I decided to post. I have tons to say and I am not sure I could even begin to start to organize my thoughts. I tend to ramble on so I will try to be as succinct as possible. OK, not really possible. :)

To begin with the OP asked: how toxic nicotine is and how addictive it is then another poster added the question “How much does nicotine help treat millions of people? “

It is toxic but so is iron and most substances. Give anyone too much iron and you will kill them. Our bodies are designed with a nicotinic receptor in our brains. So at some level a controlled amount of nicotine is biologically acceptable to our bodies. People need to remember that our ancestor's have been smoking or otherwise consuming tobacco and other nicotine containing herbs for hundreds of thousands of years. The chemical make up of nicotine and niacin (b3) are structurally so similar that scientists call niacin, nicotinic acid. It may just be that we have evolve to safely consume nicotine at a reasonable level.

As far as asking how addictive is nicotine, I believe it is a fallacy that we can quantify that. The term addiction in itself is a problematic word in that most people do not understand exactly what it means. You can be clinically dependent (physical dependence) but not addicted in our ordinary language. They use that term because we can measure physical dependence. But there is no way to measure psychological dependence (aka addiction) because that varies due to peoples personalities, culture, social acceptability etc. For example it may be completely acceptable in some societies to ingest mind altering things as a religious experience. In that culture you would never consider that person addicted. The definition of addiction therefore is a judgment in the eye of the examiner. So to make my answer short, can nicotine be addictive, no. Can it be something you can become dependent on yes.

Lastly, in 1994/95, I did a research paper in college on irritable bowel syndrome and the above nicotinic receptor. Researchers found that IBS was successfully treated with nicotinic acid (niacin) and nicotine in a few small studies. This of course was before smoking was a huge public problem. I don't think any researcher these days would be brave enough to suggest or even test that nicotine would be helpful. Sadly, they are taking out of the picture a chemical that our bodies naturally have a receptor for.

This can be used in our anti-ANTZ fights at city councils, etc.
 

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Here is another voice on the subject Neurologist Dr Jacques Le Houezec is the Honorary Lecturer, UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies, University of Nottingham, England, a founder member of The Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco and manager of treatobacco.net. You can find him blogging at Le Blog de Jacques Le Houzeq. https://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2013/12/houzaq-interview-nicotine-eliquid.html Ooops...seems like several of us found out about this at the same time.

No offense to the Dr. but BS. Nicotine could be sold as a pharmaceutical the same way aspirin is, by compounding it with other drugs, think prozac with nicotine. Aspirin can't be patented either but it doesn't make it any less useful. I don't think there is a person on earth that won't admit the benefits of aspirin.
 

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I think formulating a non-nicotine chemical that acts like nicotine would still be attractive to pharma. They could patent it, and they could also use the fact that it's not actually nicotine to get over people's reluctance to use nicotine. They could do some studies and say that it's non-addictive (even if it turns out later that it's 100x more addictive than actual nicotine). It could still be compounded with other drugs for more patents.

I'm not saying it's logical. It would be more logical to just use nicotine, but I'm saying I can see why it would appeal to pharma.
 

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Yes,,,I know what your gonna say, Wikipedia is NOT a peer reviewed shillfest of complete ball arcs-but it is still used widely as an 'accepted' knowledge base, and hey,,it's been 'updated' :)

"The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 30–60 mg (0.5–1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[5][63] However the widely used human LD50 estimate of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg was questioned in a 2013 review, in light of several documented cases of humans surviving much higher doses; the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal out-comes is 500–1000mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to an oral lD50 of 6.5–13 mg/kg"

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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