ANTZ lies at work

[bigdancehawk]

An Ohio Health Issues Poll (OHIP) shows a stunning amount of Ohio residents misunderstand the alleged dangers of e-cigarettes, which could “reverse decades of progress” explaining the unique harm of smoking, according to a leading public health expert.

The January OHIP found that just 34 percent of respondents believe tobacco cigarettes are more dangerous than e-cigarettes. More than 10 percent actually think e-cigarettes are more hazardous than their tobacco-filled rivals, while 42 percent said there is no difference between the two products.

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Michigan poll suggested that the vast majority of parents and teens believe using e-cigarettes will encourage smoking among minors, 81 and 84 percent respectively.

Read more: ‘Lies’ And ‘Deception’ Are Clouding Public’s View Of E-Cigarette Safety
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[DC2]

Once again, I don't even know what to say.

Where does the blame for this lie?
There is just so damn much blame to spread around.

 

[Kent C]

Once again, I don't even know what to say.

Where does the blame for this lie?
There is just so damn much blame to spread around.

I think it goes back to over a year ago now in that concentrate campaign of lies and distortions coming out of Glantz' UCSF and elsewhere. I forget the name of this action - likely reported by Bill G and it has been related to a dip in ecig sales - but the whole idea was to make ecigs look more dangerous than cigarettes - looks like it worked well.

Before that - here at least, we'd see some anti pieces and pro pieces where it may have not been equal but not overwhelmingly Anti like we've seen recently (past 6 months - year). I've attributed it to 'selling the deeming' where there would be more people (other than vapers) willing to go: "Ok, that makes some sense given what I've read" etc. etc.

If the media wasn't so socialist/gov't oriented, then it would not have been so easy for Glantz et al to spread the lies without question or without a fair and balanced reporting, so much of the blame goes to the lapdog media who basically are just stenographers for the gov't and the ANTZ.

 

[nicnik]

If the media wasn't so socialist/gov't oriented, then it would not have been so easy for Glantz et al to spread the lies without question or without a fair and balanced reporting

Deceiving the public is compatible with neither socialism nor capitalism. (Note that you took the thread to this path. I'm not objecting to that, but to the fact that you claim you never initiate it.)

 

[Mossy]

People from left or right (in the media or not) are capable of the same deceptions.

 

[Stubby]

I think it goes back to over a year ago now in that concentrate campaign of lies and distortions coming out of Glantz' UCSF and elsewhere. I forget the name of this action - likely reported by Bill G and it has been related to a dip in ecig sales - but the whole idea was to make ecigs look more dangerous than cigarettes - looks like it worked well.

Ahhh..... no. It you actually knew something about the history of this issue you would understand that it goes back to the mid 80's when tobacco companies were forced to lie about the risk of ST by putting bogus warning labels on the cans. This is just a continuation of what has been going on for over 30 years, as that was the time the tobacco control industry went into their growth phase.

The same lies that have been thrown at smokeless tobacco, by the same people, are being used against vaping. It worked then, it works now. Only the name of the product has changed. The blueprint for this was laid down decades ago.

 

[Kent C]

Deceiving the public is compatible with neither socialism nor capitalism. (Note that you took the thread to this path. I'm not objecting to that, but to the fact that you claim you never initiate it.)

In relation to how the media is biased, not directly about Dem/Republican politics. And it's true lol.... And now that you mentioned it with regard to capitalism, socialism can not tell the public what they truly want, so they have to deceive with all the 'caring' and 'equality' stuff which is neither caring or equal - in fact, it promotes one class over another - inequality.

And if you can find 'never' in my posts regarding that - post it, rather than assuming it or attempting to deceive others as to what I've said. What I actually said: "That's right and I would encourage people to look at mine and see who it is who brings up politics first."

 

[Mossy]

People from left or right (in the media or not) are capable of the same deceptions.

Or from anywhere else for the record

 

[Kent C]

Ahhh..... no. It you actually knew something about the history of this issue you would understand that it goes back to the mid 80's

I actually do know the history of the smoking and ST on the issue going back to the 80's, working with and supporting smoker's rights issues in the late 80's and the 90's. Here I was just addressing the change that occurred about a year ago regarding the pro and anti pieces on ecigs specifically. Does it follow the same pattern we've seen with cigarettes and smokeless products? Yes. And I happen to agree with the points the rest of your post - wholeheartedly.

edit: Not an attempt to mend fences, but just my own opinion - I think the attack on smokeless tobacco was and is a bigger travesty than the attack on ecigs if only because smokeless products were well known and many smokers went that way to stop smoking - a much more 'acceptable' way, until the anti-ST barrage.

 

[nicnik]

And if you can find 'never' in my posts regarding that - post it, rather than assuming it or attempting to deceive others as to what I've said.

Yeah, you probably never did said you "never" did.

 

[nicnik]

Or from anywhere else for the record

Don't forget the centrists! Highly suggestible!

You're right. Anywhere.

 

[Kent C]

Yeah, you probably never did said you "never" did.

I got 29 pages on a search of "never" for me. Didn't see it in that context on the first 5 pages....

 

[nicnik]

Don't forget the centrists! Highly suggestible!

You're right. Anywhere.

EDIT: That was a clumsy attempt to make my point. I fear centrism as much as leftism and rightism.

 

[nicnik]

I got 29 pages on a search of "never" for me. Didn't see it in that context on the first 5 pages....

You can stop. I withdraw "never' and replace it with "don't".

Now search "don't"...

 

[Kent C]

You can stop. I withdraw "never' and replace it with "don't".

Now search "don't"...

You got me curious, no problem..... I'll pass on 'don't' lol

 

[sofarsogood]

The people agitating against ecigs want them entirely banned while cigarettes remain available as always. The press we see is trying to create a justification for that in the public mind. It's not so easy for government to follow through on that. In an election year they might hesitate to hand the Republicans a potential campaign issue.

 

[AndriaD]

Deceiving the public is compatible with neither socialism nor capitalism. (Note that you took the thread to this path. I'm not objecting to that, but to the fact that you claim you never initiate it.)

People from left or right (in the media or not) are capable of the same deceptions.

Actually, the media's bia is ALL because of capitalism, of the global mega-corporate sort -- the same 10 people own pretty much everything in the world, including all the media venues; those same ten people are also the fatcats getting rich from tobacco and from BP and from people dying younger than they ought to. THEY are the ones pulling the strings on EVERYTHING.

It's those people who need to be introduced to the guillotines.

Andria

 

[Rossum]

Actually, the media's bia is ALL because of capitalism, of the global mega-corporate sort -- the same 10 people own pretty much everything in the world, including all the media venues; those same ten people are also the fatcats getting rich from tobacco and from BP and from people dying younger than they ought to. THEY are the ones pulling the strings on EVERYTHING.

It's those people who need to be introduced to the guillotines.

If it's only 10 people, would you mind naming them?

 

[Kent C]

Actually, the media's bia is ALL because of capitalism, of the global mega-corporate sort -- the same 10 people own pretty much everything in the world,

Not sure exactly who is included but I know many of those used gov't to establish their position and their wealth - that isn't "capitalism". That's fascism.

 

[Jman8]

If the media wasn't so socialist/gov't oriented, then it would not have been so easy for Glantz et al to spread the lies without question or without a fair and balanced reporting, so much of the blame goes to the lapdog media who basically are just stenographers for the gov't and the ANTZ.

How did I know @DC2 would like this comment?