I like the idea of a near zero offering, but if we do it, I'd like to kill two birds with one stone... the low/no nic vapers are usually drippers who like high VG anyway, I figure...
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I like the idea of a near zero offering, but if we do it, I'd like to kill two birds with one stone... the low/no nic vapers are usually drippers who like high VG anyway, I figure...
Agreed. I've found a couple tanks that can hang with my drippers, but when I drip low ohms I really feel the Nic, even at 6mg. Curious how it would go for me. I'm totally fine that it will have a little big in it, maybe. I eat lots if the foods that it also exists in naturally.
Did you say something about bumping the flavor also?
I would be more than happy if this was my option...but then again, I would be happy to have any NT option at this point.
I do agree that if someone orders juice at 0mg, what would be the purpose of PG anyway. There would be little to no TH at that level. Trust me I know...lol
But with all that said, I need to make sure you understand that I don't plan on vaping much past April. So if you were to add that to the lineup, don't do it because of me. When I started vaping it was only for ridding myself of an addiction that had a strangle hold on me and was going to kill me sooner, rather than later. I have to continue with my stated goal, or I will feel like Ihave failed myself (and family) again.
High VG mixes require more flavoring in order to pop. Aside from the TH benefits of PG (which is a positive and a negative depending on the vape expeirence you really want), PG acts as a flavor carrier. More PG in the bottle translates into less flavoring being required. Thankfully we developed a system very early to adjust the flavor load to coincide with increases in VG. With incremental increases in VG, additional flavoring would be added.
That means that "near zero" bottle could be an invaluable tool... not only could it be employed as a tool to chase clouds (with significantly less throat hit) - it could also potentially be used to boost flavor for people who want an "extra kick" in the "regular bottles" that contain the standard flavor load. The more we talk about it, the more I like the idea.
The other thing - VALUE. Honestly, truthfully - the lower the nic in the bottle, the more profitable it is. The difference in margin is negligible, but it's not totally insignificant. I figure in all fairness, people *should* get more flavoring since they didn't opt for nicotine. So, we have...
1) No nicotine intentionally added
2) Higher VG Ratios
3) Significantly increased flavor load because... A) higher VG pretty much requires it... AND B) it's a great incentive to move to zero by incrementally mixing 6mg and 0mg until you are on Pure Zero.
I'm committed to providing a path to independence from nicotine - IMHO - that should be all of our goals. As soon as the lab is remodeled and I have sufficient space to steep that near zero liquid out proper, we'll be on it with the quickness.
I'd add it not just for you, but for people *like you* Tyranny. There are tons of people in the same boat. I'm impressed that you have a potential date out there for quitting vaping. As much as I enjoy your company - like I said earlier - if I am doing this right, I am assisting you in progressively reducing your dependence on nicotine, on vaping, and on Nicoticket... and I'm okay with that.
One of the key concepts I got from being a mental health counselor/therapist is that "you can do more harm that good by stepping in and helping too much." At some point, good therapists make it clear to clients that "you're doing all the work, I'm just a facilitator." That's how I envision my role in this whole deal... I mean... ultimately all of you will make the final decision about what your personal goals are. I can say with certainty that I am more than okay being at 6mg, but that's subject to change. I really feel as though there is no substitute for clean fresh air.
We can NOT make a definitive statement that vaping is safer than smoking (although, my personal experience suggests that I feel better, so it must be).
We can make a definitive statement that NOT VAPING is safer than VAPING. That's a hard pill to swallow, but that's God's honest truth.
Damn, I had a decent post, but must have lost it. Basically, I hadn't noticed much physical things from nicotine (other than that first day trying all the 18 mg flavors, slight nausea). I am doing 12 mg now, but may as we'll go down. Maybe first in morning, I feel/need a kick. I definitely vape more than smoke, and have been enjoying blowing smoke rings in bed. If I hook up Franilla or virus (radioactive) to an IV, I will be going way down in levels. High VG, clouds, sounds like fun, but not in work. I will definitely need something on the qt at my desk. It is a very odd, but great, feeling being in front of my PC at work. The biggest problem is I don't get up for hours now. Time to get to bed, and I mean it this time. Unfortunately I am verified now and had to look at some classifieds porn. The buy/sell is a bad thing. It has made me spend lots of my money at the cpf forum, I see the same here.
The march to zero brother - one foot in front of the other!
I like the ideas Clark. I am by no means a cloud chaser. I like the minimal cloud action from my iClear 30's I use at work because I can take a hit inside and no one notices. But if I was using my recoiled PTs the whole thing would be noticed. But zero is my goal and that is where I'd like to keep heading. I see myself breaking from vaping to be much harder so am not even telling myself I have to. I'll get there or I won't. No nic is my eventual goal.
Because it has more VG/flavoring? Nahhhh... I figure it all balances out, no nicotine, more VG/flavoring.
Sorta like "Near Beer"
Kinda like that - more like truth in advertising... I wasn't at all surprised that half the samples from the most recent cinnamon study contained nicotine despite being labeled '0'. Zero should be zero - not a trace - absolutely none. That's a tall order for a small lab. I'll wager we could place orders for 20 bottles of "zero" from 20 different vendors and half would contain nicotine. That kind of sloppy is the stuff that discredits the entirety of our infant industry - I don't want to contribute to that problem
Now this is a great idea -- I am looking to drop my nic to 0 or near zero in the near future and I like the clouds I get from the juices - I find I like nothing less than 50/50 in the VG/PG ratio now and am even trending to the higher VG ratios (of course unless Clark recommends otherwise) - in my own mix at the house I do a 3mg/ml of course I only mix about 300ml at any one time - that lasts me for 4 month. That's because I vape more NT than my own now!!
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