any other ideas how to make a E2 mesh carto?

[roadrash]

Thought I would start this thread for modders to post there ideas about the E2 carto mod with ss-mesh? how about nichrome mesh and eliminate the coil? needles for coil placement? air holes? center pole?
You get the idea.

You are allowed your 2 cents, but no 3 cents please. :>)

 

[asdaq]

OK, the carto allows for a nice mouthpiece and using a threaded connector is nice and solid. Otherwise the capacity is too low and it is going to be hardest to fit things in. Needles for coil connection sound great, easy to change and they are nice and small. I've no idea how one should control the resistance with nichrome mesh, but if there is a will, there is a way. I was already planning to make a mini version of l3oertije's atty design with almost no juice capacity, and use a shorty driptip for a suckaton, and probably still will as materials should be arriving soon, BUT, integrating everything with SS mesh and kanthal sounds just all the more elegant. Turns the suckaton into a vapeaton.

So how would the nichrome mesh work?

 

[roadrash]

So how would the nichrome mesh work?

Just a thought, If you rolled the nichrome or Kanthal mesh into a tube and ran the power leads from one end to the other the whole tube fires up? if you run the power leads from one end to the middle only that particular part would fire? neg to pos.
If the above concept is true then you can wire the power leads from the top section down to the prefer ed ohms section of choice and the rest of the roll not firing, but getting warm would have the wicking action.
A draw back would be that the bottom of the mesh roll could not touch any metal as to ground out.

thanks to 13oertije's(can we call him #13 for short?) atty design. It has opened up a new doorway for different types of attie mods. i have used his concept in many different ways on the E2. Plug and play.

 

[WillyB]

... with SS mesh and kanthal sounds just all the more elegant. Turns the suckaton into a vapeaton.

What's the deal with Kanthal? Why not the BNC, either 60 or 80% that's available here?

 

[roadrash]

What's the deal with Kanthal? Why not the BNC, either 60 or 80% that's available here?

I dunno what the deal with kanthal is. Maybe why I haven't rushed out and bought any. Hell I am just starting to get a feel for the 80/20 nichrome.

 

[WillyB]

Could simply be what they have access to over there, like their unspecified Glasfibre/Bio-Ofenschnur and Jensb's castable Stewalin.

Would like to know the 'why' and if their are any advantages over BNC wire.

 

[asdaq]

Kanthal the company is based in Sweden, which certainly is closer and seems to saturate the local market. Norwegian fireplaces are all the rage here too, but for the fireplace rope I actually got a Polish producer. Stewalin I haven't looked into yet.

I think Dan got some of the rope from someplace like amazon in addition to Thermeez.

Also kanthal has a different make up IIRC, but I saw one supplier here that said it was from a mix of nickel and chrome, which raises some doubt.

Ahh, The nickel in nichrome inhibits oxidation, whereas kanthal will form this protective layer.

 

[WillyB]

Ahh, The nickel in nichrome inhibits oxidation, whereas kanthal will form this protective layer.

Just as Kanthal (an alloy of iron, chromium and aluminum) wire forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide, Nichrome wire also forms a protective layer of chromium oxide.

That heated aluminum oxide layer may be troubling to some.

 

[asdaq]

From nichrome I read "Due to its relatively high resistivity and resistance to oxidation at high temperatures" and later on:
"For heating, resistance wire must be stable in air when hot. Nichrome wire forms a protective layer of chromium oxide."

sounds rather contradictive.

For kanthal: "For heating, resistance wire must be stable in air when hot. Kanthal wire forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide (alumina). [1] Aluminium oxide is an electrical insulator but has a relatively high thermal conductivity; special techniques may be required to make good electrical connections."

Seems much more definitive. Doesn't nickel prevent corrosion/oxidation?

Also curious, kanthal I could get here locally, even just around the corner from a new job, but in the wrong sizes. Nichrome I can't find anywhere.

 

[roadrash]

For heating, resistance wire must be stable in air when hot

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Seems to me that this never happens with e cigs unless we are doing a dry burn.

Nichrome wire forms a protective layer of chromium oxide."

Kanthal wire forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide (alumina).

Trying to wrap my head around this. is either one acceptable for human consumption?

Then again the wire would have to be in stable air to form the oxides and a E cig is usually covered in juice.

 

[asdaq]

Alumina: "Being fairly chemically inert, relatively non-toxic, and white, alumina is a favored filler for plastics. Alumina is a common ingredient in sunscreen." Also as an abrasive in toothpaste.

And seemingly kanthal is foodsafe (raidy just said)

Chromium oxide, I don't know.