Hey all, wanted to see if anyone else was having this happen with their Phoenix tank....it seems that I can only get a good vape if I almost completely tilt it up (coils to the sky). When I do it's outstanding, but if I don't vape it at least horizontal, it seems to flood, and I get very little vapor. When I say 'flood' I mean just the wick/coil because I haven't seen any juice in the battery connection. It just gurgles a bit, and very little vapor...The only thing I did to it was Lord Davon's recommended wick trimming.
Anyone else have this issue w/ Phoenix 3.3ml?
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I haven't, but observing myself it seems I naturally vape horizontal...and here in my recliner I'm actually a little "towards the sky"!
did you have this problem before trimming the wicks? Just wondering. I would have used it straight out of the box before deciding to do anything to it. Mine work fine as is, no trimming.
Flooding bottom coil Phoenixes happen because: (in no specific order and probably not a complete list)
1. The top rubber seal isn't sitting far enough down or is otherwise not in there right. It could even be upside down.
2. Too much air in the syringe.
3. The middle post is raised too high and is letting too much juice through the holes.
4. The wicks are thinned out too much.
5. It wasn't filled properly. Perhaps it was filled too much (I always stop at the point where the middle post widens), wasn't filled upside down, there was still juice by the wicks when you refilled it. Pushing new juice in just pushes that juice through the coil and you'll start the tank with it already flooded.
If I get flooding and it's because I screwed up when refilling it, this is what I do. Wrap a paper towel around the threaded end and turn the Phoenix upside down like you would if you're filling it but leave the drip tip on. Blow through the drip tip until it sounds cleared out, cleaning up the juice that comes out with the paper towel. You do this upside down because otherwise you're just flooding it worse. You'll want to clear out the juice from the base that might be stuck around the wicks before you do this for the same reason. Just hold it by the threaded end and flick it a few times like a thermometer.
If it floods anyway, take it all apart and put it back together. Be careful to make sure everything's sitting properly. You'll want the post to sit flush against the cup surrounding the coil. The rubber seal needs to be right up against the rim on the post that it sits on. You should be able to see the metal of the post if you look down at the seal. This wouldn't help with dry hits, but it should cover most of the bases for flooding.
Careful taking the needle out after you fill it. Take it straight out and not at an angle. It can tug the rubber seal loose.
A few really small bubbles in the syringe isn't a big deal, but you just kind of have to get a feel for how much it'll tolerate. When I load up my syringe, I clean off the tip and hold it from there then flick it like a thermometer. It helps get the bubbles to the top quicker than tapping the tube or whatever you call it. Try not to stab yourself! Then, so I don't waste juice, I put the tip of the needle into the very top of the juice cap. I have those bottles with the round childproof lids. Holding the syringe with the needle straight up and against the tip of the cap, I depress the syringe until the bubbles come out. The tip of the cap actually holds onto the juice even though it's upside down. Then, I just flip it over, suck out the tiny bits of juice and load it up. Works every time!
1. The top rubber seal isn't sitting far enough down or is otherwise not in there right. It could even be upside down.
2. Too much air in the syringe.
3. The middle post is raised too high and is letting too much juice through the holes.
4. The wicks are thinned out too much.
5. It wasn't filled properly. Perhaps it was filled too much (I always stop at the point where the middle post widens), wasn't filled upside down, there was still juice by the wicks when you refilled it. Pushing new juice in just pushes that juice through the coil and you'll start the tank with it already flooded.
If I get flooding and it's because I screwed up when refilling it, this is what I do. Wrap a paper towel around the threaded end and turn the Phoenix upside down like you would if you're filling it but leave the drip tip on. Blow through the drip tip until it sounds cleared out, cleaning up the juice that comes out with the paper towel. You do this upside down because otherwise you're just flooding it worse. You'll want to clear out the juice from the base that might be stuck around the wicks before you do this for the same reason. Just hold it by the threaded end and flick it a few times like a thermometer.
If it floods anyway, take it all apart and put it back together. Be careful to make sure everything's sitting properly. You'll want the post to sit flush against the cup surrounding the coil. The rubber seal needs to be right up against the rim on the post that it sits on. You should be able to see the metal of the post if you look down at the seal. This wouldn't help with dry hits, but it should cover most of the bases for flooding.
Careful taking the needle out after you fill it. Take it straight out and not at an angle. It can tug the rubber seal loose.
A few really small bubbles in the syringe isn't a big deal, but you just kind of have to get a feel for how much it'll tolerate. When I load up my syringe, I clean off the tip and hold it from there then flick it like a thermometer. It helps get the bubbles to the top quicker than tapping the tube or whatever you call it. Try not to stab yourself! Then, so I don't waste juice, I put the tip of the needle into the very top of the juice cap. I have those bottles with the round childproof lids. Holding the syringe with the needle straight up and against the tip of the cap, I depress the syringe until the bubbles come out. The tip of the cap actually holds onto the juice even though it's upside down. Then, I just flip it over, suck out the tiny bits of juice and load it up. Works every time!
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Thanks, everyone...BonnyC, I've done all as you describe, and as far as trimming the wicks, at the first fill I was getting little vapor and what I would call a 'dry hit', though it was the same as the 'flooded' hits I get now...little to no vapor. That led to trimming the wicks since I use a thicker juice (only 60/40 PG/VG), and as I said, it's GREAT when I tilt, but just wondered if anyone else had a similar experience. I just got my first box of XL's, and am about to give some of them a go and see...I may also try replacing the seal on the 3.3ml and see if that helps. The only thing out of the ordinary that I notice is a small amount of juice in the fill hole on the seal after vaping for a bit...sometimes even a pool in the top seal, but that could be from inverting it to vape...
I get a pool there sometimes, too. I'm pretty sure it's just from condensation, but I could be wrong. It's like the stuff that used to get into the mouthpieces of the Vision Extremes I used to vape on.
When I say 'dry hit' I'm thinking of coils that haven't gotten wet at all. That nasty, burnt atomizer taste. Flooding always leads to almost no vapor. My husband thought his was broken because he was literally getting NOTHING from his. I blew it out and it worked awesome.
That's strange that it works better when you tilt. Makes me think it could be an air pressure thing, but I know diddly about that stuff. I'm also leaning towards the bad seal theory. Maybe the hole got too big or you accidentally punched a second hole through it, I dunno. I mean, if it's losing pressure then having the juice on the coils would flood it. Tilting it would get the juice away so you could vape normally.
When I say 'dry hit' I'm thinking of coils that haven't gotten wet at all. That nasty, burnt atomizer taste. Flooding always leads to almost no vapor. My husband thought his was broken because he was literally getting NOTHING from his. I blew it out and it worked awesome.
That's strange that it works better when you tilt. Makes me think it could be an air pressure thing, but I know diddly about that stuff. I'm also leaning towards the bad seal theory. Maybe the hole got too big or you accidentally punched a second hole through it, I dunno. I mean, if it's losing pressure then having the juice on the coils would flood it. Tilting it would get the juice away so you could vape normally.
okay... I've noticed that with the Phoenix 3.3 it gets rather fiddly about pressure. It seems to need a happy medium of vacuum seal (to prevent dumping) and not being 100% full and/or relieving some of the pressure after you fill it.
What I've done to fix it is pretty simple. I fill it correctly, then set it out on a paper towel and wiggle the seal just a bit to relieve pressure, then I reseat the seal (slowly) - turning it upside down to seat it all the way. You do lose a small amount of juice doing this, but it helps get them going after a cleaning/filling. It seems to force some of the juice down to the coil/wick (and out the bottom!) - but it's way better than the weird dry hits I was getting every other draw.
Unfortunately, both of my 3.3 ml tanks died after 2 weeks of use. It wasn't even during a dry burn, they just up and konked out. I still like them quite a bit and will definitely buy them again - can't beat'em for chain vapability.
What I've done to fix it is pretty simple. I fill it correctly, then set it out on a paper towel and wiggle the seal just a bit to relieve pressure, then I reseat the seal (slowly) - turning it upside down to seat it all the way. You do lose a small amount of juice doing this, but it helps get them going after a cleaning/filling. It seems to force some of the juice down to the coil/wick (and out the bottom!) - but it's way better than the weird dry hits I was getting every other draw.
Unfortunately, both of my 3.3 ml tanks died after 2 weeks of use. It wasn't even during a dry burn, they just up and konked out. I still like them quite a bit and will definitely buy them again - can't beat'em for chain vapability.
OK, thanks for the info, everyone...I have some extra seals, so I'm going to try replacing it as soon as I get through this tank (about 1/2 way). I keep noticing liquid in the fill hole when I remove the cover/mouthpiece, so I'm guessing as you have that it's a pressure thing/leak of some sort. Hopefully the new seal takes care of it (as I love the flavor/vape when it works!). I'll update....
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