Anyone had problems with dual coil cartos on an eGo?

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i havent tried them myself but after reading, they dont suggest using the duals on the ego doe to something called mosfet. iknow nothing about mosfet but according to the ones in the know, 1.5ohm is dancing the line of what the ago battery can handle. they do have 2 kinds of duals out there, 3.0 and 3.2....i would shoot for the 3.2, giving you little better chance due to it distributing 1.6ohm to each coil. i am yet to hear an ego battery getting ruined by using them so....from the sounds of it, it will be fine...(for a while anyway).
ymmv, if i was in the market for a dual coil carto and i had just an ego battery, i would take my chances.
 

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There seems to be some confusion with dual coil resistance and the eGo style batteries. Many people regularly use LR attys and such with no problems whatsoever. Others have obviously fried their batteries with them. Enough so that some vendors post a warning about not using attys or cartos of any kind below 2.0 ohms TOTAL resistance. The reason being that the device actually supplying power to the carto is a MOSFET (Metal Oxide Substrate Field Effect Transistor for those who care). This is an electronic switch that does the heavy lifting. The little button you push and makes a clicky sound is just a mechanical, momentary tactile(tact) switch that turns the MOSFET on and off. Tact switches will never handle the high 1.15 Amp current that even a 3.2 ohm carto would draw. Now, it doesn't care if you have a dual coil carto with two 3.2 ohm elements in parallel (which equals 1.6 ohms to the battery) or a single 1.5 ohm LR element. The current draw the Mosfet has to handle is still approx. 2.4 amps and that is the important thing. A 2.0 ohm element will draw 1.85 Amps and this seems to be the lowest recommended resistance by the manufacturers. Higher resistance equals lower current draw and that equals a happier MOSFET. BTW, a 3.2 ohm element draws only 1.15 Amps.

So, why do some survive and others don't? Many factors can conspire to affect longevity. A big one is that electronic devices like a MOSFET have Maximum allowable ratings plus a little for wiggle room. Wiggle room is my term for an undefined area where a device will operate above the MAX rating and not blow up. This will vary from device to device and it amounts to the luck of the draw which one has a lot of wigglage and which ones don't. Suppose a MOSFET has a MAX rating of 1.9 amps at a particular voltage - say 4 volts. you attach your 1.5 ohm carto to it and its as happy as a clam so you might presume that your device is blessed with a MOSFET with a lot of wigglage. BUT you also tend to take a few, short duration pulls on your PV and then set it down for awhile. That same setup in the hands of someone who takes 10 second pulls and chain vapes all day might fry the device in a few hours - The MOSFET overheats and burns out. Another device might fry immediately when you attach a 1-1.5 ohm carto regardless of your technique. That is wiggle room. Finally, different battery manufacturers may use devices from multiple sources so that will contribute to variations in the undefined region of wiggle room.

I deliberately did not mention wattage, whether some batteries may be built with higher-rated MOSFETS or other factors to keep a somewhat technical subject more manageable. So, A dual coil carto is really an LR carto in disguise.

Hope this helps.
 
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chevelle,

Good info. I felt okay about ordering them because the website specifically said that they were compatible with an eGo. Same for some Boge 1.5's I ordered as well.

I dunno, maybe I'll just stick to my Boge 2.0's and put the DC's in the classified section here when they come in. I tend to be a heavy vaper, but, then again, this is still a novelty to me, and I'm busy trying new flavors all day. Or maybe I'll try it out on a designated batt to see what happens.

Would it make any difference if I used it on an eGo passthrough?

Arrrggghhh...
 
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chevelle,

Good info. I felt okay about ordering them because the website specifically said that they were compatible with an eGo. Same for some Boge 1.5's I ordered as well.

I dunno, maybe I'll just stick to my Boge 2.0's and put the DC's in the classified section here when they come in. I tend to be a heavy vaper, but, then again, this is still a novelty to me, and I'm busy trying new flavors all day. Or maybe I'll try it out on a designated batt to see what happens.

Would it make any difference if I used it on an eGo passthrough?

Arrrggghhh...

This is just my 'opinion'...

Dual Coils at or above true 3.7v regulated are ok, yes, 'more vape' but rather cool feeling. Drains the battery and consumes juice twice as fast.

They have worked OK for me on eGo batteries (more like 3.4v) but nothing special at this point.

Dual coils at 5v or more on big batteries...sweet...worth the extra cost to me :)

So...at 3.7v and below...I'd rather not spend the extra money on a DC. There are so many very fine single coil options out there now...at lower price points.
 
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chevelle

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chevelle,

Good info. I felt okay about ordering them because the website specifically said that they were compatible with an eGo. Same for some Boge 1.5's I ordered as well.

I dunno, maybe I'll just stick to my Boge 2.0's and put the DC's in the classified section here when they come in. I tend to be a heavy vaper, but, then again, this is still a novelty to me, and I'm busy trying new flavors all day. Or maybe I'll try it out on a designated batt to see what happens.

Would it make any difference if I used it on an eGo passthrough?

Arrrggghhh...

Arggh is my thought too. LOL! That is where the confusion comes in. Some vendors say its fine to use on a eGo others say it is a no-no. Another possibility is that we are dealing with something that goes back to when the eGo was first introduced and has since been improved upon. Could have had problems with the "first generation" eGo? That does lead to another question - What Is An eGo?? or will the Real eGo please stand up! A Joye eGo, as far as I know, is the only REAL eGo and it has a 650 mAH battery it also uses the 510 connector. That is an eGo to me. An eGo-Type clone PV also uses the 510 connector and the battery/cone looks similar if not exactly like a Joye. A true eGo clone should have every part exactly the same both electrically and mechanically. In practice we know that is not always the case. Internally, it may have a 650mAH battery or a 900 or a 1200 and so on and that all by itself could change the game. What circuit and rated parts (MOSFET etc) do these higher capacity batteries use inside? I have no idea. They may well use higher rated components. Also, it is entirely possible that there may have been a lot of failures initially and the battery makers changed to a higher rated MOSFET in later production to alleviate the issue. That would be a likely possibility by the way! I am an electronics design engineer and making component changes to improve reliability is part of what we do on a regular basis. Maybe someone has some info on the evolution of the eGo design?

So many people are using Dual Coils and LR cartos successfully that I wouldn't scrap the idea at all. I would take a poll on who is using them successfully on what type of eGo? and who has had MOSFET failures using them.
 
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Arrrgghhhh... Thanks so much for spending the time on these detailed responses! I do use a new eGo 900 mah, which I love BTW.

Will using an eGo passthrough into a wall adaptor make it safer?

If I understand correctly, the eGo passthrough is actually an eGo battery with a usb charger built in.
This means it is not a true 5v passthrough. It's going to perform at around 3.4v on average...period, and the mofset stuff still applies.

It has the same limits and benifits as a regular eGo battery.

If you are really wanting to safely try a Dual Coil and experience what it can really do on a budget...pick up a simple 5v USB passthrough. You can shop around and find these for under $20 probably. Do be careful about what USB port you use one of these with...it shouldn't be a problem with today's computers or USB chargers...but if you have an older lap-top or low profile desk top...get a dedicated wall port to plug it on.

Otherwise, you'll probably want a big battery mod of some sort. It's possible to get a decent mod for under $50.
 
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chevelle

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Arrrgghhhh... Thanks so much for spending the time on these detailed responses! I do use a new eGo 900 mah, which I love BTW.

Will using an eGo passthrough into a wall adaptor make it safer?

I'm not sure of how they deliver the voltage with the pass-through. If they just use a 3.7 volt eGo battery modified to charge while you are using it, then, the MOSFET switch board will likely be the same. Or, even the use of a 3.7 volt, 3 amp switching supply hooked directly to an eGo case/510 connector would probably still use the same MOSFET switch board.

To me, the use of a completely separate, regulated power supply, capable of delivering at least 3 amps all the time connected to a big, honkin' horn switch would be the way to go. OF course, I would make it a variable voltage supply too.
 
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