anyone here worried about the flavoring chemicals getting into your lungs?

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I think it's almost funny for people who smoked to worry about what's in their e-liquids...

I don't think so at all.

I quit in order to reduce my health risks. Whatever I have to do to get the closest to that goal is what I wish to do.

What you say makes no sense. It's like saying anybody who practiced an adverse habit and gave it up should not be concerned about new habits they may pick up that also put them at risk.

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The organic juices do have organic extracts,but also the ''natural'' flavors,which are not really natural,its a play on words,but the ''organic'' juice is safer,do the google dance.

Actually, organic flavorings are not safer. There are many unsafe substances in organic flavors such as diacetyls, etc. which are naturally occurring, and unlike in synthetic flavors where that stuff can be replaced or taken out in the lab, mother nature puts stuff in organic flavorings that are not removed.

I personally also have a concern for naturally occuring fruit sugars and such.

There is quite a lot of information about this in several topics around here.

there are also many vapers here who vape flavorless.

I guess I don't understand why anyone would make fun of people's efforts to be as healthy as they can be, and do whatever they feel will move them closer to that........ even if they are former smokers? What? Are former smokers supposed to be "doomed" in some way, from ulitimately living very healthy lifestyles? :)
 
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You read my mind!!! These days nothing is healthy for you, even organic foods at the grocery store are not really organic since half of them are GMO(Genetically Modified Organic), wonder what they use to genetically modify our so called healthy foods? Not to mention that if you drink tap water...your drinking all the meds that your neighbor possibly flushed down the toilet, and all the chemicals that seeped into the ground from changing vehicle fluids and doing vehicle maintenance and of course ALL the chemicals they use to purify the water. I honestly don't think that anyone know's how dangerous or how good anything is for us these days. A lot of tests, a lot of assumptions, and when it all boils down to it, it really depends on the person. I have known smokers who have lived very happy, healthy and LONG lives without the need for oxygen due to COPD or worrying about cancer, and then I have known people who have smoked for a lesser amount of time than I have(20 yrs) and who lost their battle with lung cancer, heck even people who do not smoke, and have not been around 2nd hand smoking have gotten lung cancer. When it is your time to go, it doesn't matter what you put in your body. I rather be a happy vaper vaping on the flavors I enjoy than worrying to much about it. I could walk out the door to check my mail and fall over dead from natural causes.

Just FYI, if a product is labelled USDA Certified Organic, it cannot be contain any GMO's. GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism, not Organic. You cannot call a product in the US "organic" if it contains GMO's. Two entirely different things.
 
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Actually, organic flavorings are not safer. There are many unsafe substances in organic flavors such as diacetyls, etc. which are naturally occurring, and unlike in synthetic flavors where that stuff can be replaced or taken out in the lab, mother nature puts stuff in organic flavorings that are not removed.

I personally also have a concern for naturally occuring fruit sugars and such.

There is quite a lot of information about this in several topics around here.

there are also many vapers here who vape flavorless.

I guess I don't understand why anyone would make fun of people's efforts to be as healthy as they can be, and do whatever they feel will move them closer to that........ even if they are former smokers? What? Are former smokers supposed to be "doomed" in some way, from ulitimately living very healthy lifestyles? :)

I'm an organic nazi, I admit it. All my food is organic and most of my clothes are organic cotton. My main reason is not my health, but the health of the planet. Do some research on the effects of genetically modified cotton in India- farmers are killing themselves left and right because they can't afford the insecticides needed for GMO cotton, and can't afford to buy seeds every year (GMO seeds are sterile).

That said, I really do my best to not get all high and mighty and preachy about it. For the most part I keep my mouth shut, unless someone asks a direct question, like OP. It's such a personal choice- where do we draw the line? All of us drew one at analogs, and I think we all remember feeling like pariahs when we were smokers. Nobody has the right to judge what anyone else vapes, or doesn't vape. I do what I do because for me it's the right choice.

The very reason that nothing is healthy for you, like drinking water, is BECAUSE we've been dumping pesticides, insecticides and loads of toxic chemicals into the environment. Personally, I chose to not support companies that do this, as best I can.

For me, the reasons to support organic flavor companies is more out of environmental concern than my own.

Actually, organic flavorings are not safer. There are many unsafe substances in organic flavors such as diacetyls, etc. which are naturally occurring, and unlike in synthetic flavors where that stuff can be replaced or taken out in the lab, mother nature puts stuff in organic flavorings that are not removed.

Do you have proof showing that organic flavors are not safer? Any diacetyls present would be naturally occurring (if diacetyl is added, the product cannot be USDA organic)- and that is a very, very tiny amount. The studies I believe you are referencing refer to inhaling butter flavoring vapor at movie theaters, which is a very large, continuous dose of diacetyl over years.

"Mother Nature puts stuff in organic flavorings that are not removed." What, exactly, does she put in? Most flavors are derived by making extracts from the original source- like raspberries. There is nothing "put in" except raspberries- and plenty is removed in the extraction process. I gotta say, I'm much more concerned about what profiteering chemical companies use than about what Mother Nature provides.

Personally I'd rather inhale some unknown substance from Mother Nature than some unknown chemical. People have been smoking "Mother Nature," probably hundreds of species of plants, molds, wood, etc. for millions of years, the effects are pretty well known. Chemicals though, only have a track record of a decade or so- far too short a time to be deemed safe.
 
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Check out these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPN_Dwp-cx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWR65NTH9B4
then think about the production areas you are privy to for USA-made juices.
I'm allergic to a particular ingredient in some flavorings. When I inquired of a vendor if it was in there, they didn't know. I've also never gotten a complete list of ingredients in any USA-made flavoring I use in food. But, when I made the same inquiry of a vendor carrying Dekang juices, they did tell me because they come packed with what looks like an MSDS with every single ingredient listed even for the flavoring in it. I trust Dekang of course. They're a world-wide company that's been around a very long time with a reputation. If there was ever an incident/hazard reported, it would be all over this forum in less than a day. This is not to say I don't buy USA-made mom and pop but I'm careful due to allergies.
 
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