Anyone replicate ECOpure?

[SuZamme]

I appreciate your journey to replicate a flavor. For me, it can be compared to using a family recipe and even though it is the identical recipe, everyone who uses it creates something that tastes different somehow.

I enjoy the flavors I create AND I enjoy the flavors others create AND they are different.

Good luck on your quest.

BTW: Love your comment about the screen door on a submarine.

 

[o4_srt]

May need to do a VERY strong hop tea or the boiling would drive off too many of the
hops volatile and numerous acids and componds.
Interesting idea....

maybe use a french press to achieve this, similar to how they used one on basic brewing radio to make a hop tea

 

[leannebug]

Whoops, I meant cignot. I think it was Innovapor I came across also selling some sort of overhyped (?) VG. I know people say there is some difference between types of VG, so I still need to look into it. There's some sort of special VG made by Dow, but I haven't found a place to buy it yet.



Have you tasted EM alone to think it is what is in EcoPure? EM dissolves about twice as well in alcohol than in PG, then I imagine water is a little under PG and VG somewhere worse. If you know you are adding water, I would try to dissolve the EM as much as possible in the water, giving it a hot bath first. I'm not sure about the vape wizard... It is very dark but I am guessing ECOpure is clear. MTS also has a characteristic smell to it with a noticeable amount of something like cinnamon, so I'm not sure how well that will work. Maybe it improves the vape, but probably isn't reproducing EP.

They do sell their own Eco version of VG. (got some in a swap, talked to the guy that sent it) It's basically just a watered down version of the VG. Since straight VG would be too thick, they do thin it out. Make that you use the distilled water.

EM, I like to disolve it in PG (which, if you were duplicating the Eco line, you might use something else). It takes a little longer, but it can be done. I put about 1/8 tsp in a glass dram bottle. Set the bottle in a baby food jar and heat up boiling water in a tea kettle, then pour it around the bottle of EM. Shaking occasionally, and adding a bit more boiling water. This takes a few hours, but if done carefully, it works great. You do need to be careful and not OVERheat the liquid. It can revert back to it's seperate state.
and yes.. Ecopure Fresh is clear. I also spoke to someone that makes a similar line, they use EM.

ON VG: it's been said that it's all the same. VG, as long as it's vegatable, is no different than any other VG. Someone called the Humco company and spoke to one of the representatives there in detail. Personally, I think there are differences. In my early stages of diy, I purchased the Humeco VG and I thought it tasted disgusting. To me, it had a nasty aftertaste. I prefer the Wiltons brand (sold at craft stores and sometimes the cake aisles) Some people swear the DOW brand is the best. (I believe you can find it on Amazon) I also have some Superol (from P&G) That one is OK too. I've used it without any noticable difference. I think it boils down to what you think tastes best. Since this is all DIY, you get to do it yourself, so you can choose what you like and prefer best.

YMMV and all that.

 

[DaveP]

Cignot also sells Basic juice that they say is high in purity, similar to Ecopure. My favorite is Jimmy Puffit, a key lime flavor.

 

[aprioristic]

Good tips Leanne. Right now TFA Cotton Candy works fine for me for EM. If I ever mess with crystals, I think I will try PGA because of the higher solubility. Really I have just been using some random VG I got in classifieds way back. I'm about to break into my ecigexpress VG, whatever that is. I do have some Dow PDF showing viscosity at temps up to 100C depending on % water added if anyone wants it. Yeah, the VG component is the same no matter what, but there is always that 1% or so of remnant solvents or whatever that may vary. Dow says theirs only has "class 3" I believe, but it is proprietary so that only narrows it a little. Not sure I really care to look into it further ATM

Cignot also sells Basic juice that they say is high in purity, similar to Ecopure. My favorite is Jimmy Puffit, a key lime flavor.

I think this ECOpure/Innovapor crap is mainly marketing gimmick. Sure, it's probably good, but it is just VG/nic/water/some sort of flavoring, nothing special AFAIK. My quick estimate is that people are paying at least 10x as much as they would otherwise need to for these juices. (That's not even accounting for buying VG in any sort of bulk amount). The health effects you get from fractions of a percent of purity could be dwarfed by any number of things people do while vaping, using VG in large amounts when you have no PG allergy for instance. It really is not clear at all, from a harm reduction standpoint, that these so-called premium juices are worth it.

 

[squirrel64]

I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to nail down for the experienced (EcoPure Rich) ,,, but never having mixed my own juices,,, I'd buy it before I spent money trying to replicate it. This is my favorite vape. If I could change one thing it would be just a tad more tobacco flavor, but it really is a great all dayer. It would make it much easier for me and many others if the more experienced mixers took a crack at this and came up with something close. Might even become YOUR all dayer

 

[leannebug]

I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to nail down for the experienced (EcoPure Rich) ,,, but never having mixed my own juices,,, I'd buy it before I spent money trying to replicate it. This is my favorite vape. If I could change one thing it would be just a tad more tobacco flavor, but it really is a great all dayer. It would make it much easier for me and many others if the more experienced mixers took a crack at this and came up with something close. Might even become YOUR all dayer

That's why you should look into BWB. Although when I first tried Don's juice, I think he had more PG, he may be making all VG now..? I"m not sure.. certainly wouldn't hurt to ask. He has spent a long time working on nailing down the flavors.

 

[aprioristic]

Wait so, people are just vaping this "Rich" alone? I was taking it as a base for DIY with a touch of sweetness (or malt) and some tobacco flavor. Clear tobacco flavor? Interesting though. I'm still pretty newb and also don't feel like wasting money on the stuff, but someday I'll try to come up with something.

 

[squirrel64]

I love Don's juices. Just not sure about asking him to break down another companies juice for my own personal gain. I'm sure he's pretty busy with his own stuff.

 

[leannebug]

I love Don's juices. Just not sure about asking him to break down another companies juice for my own personal gain. I'm sure he's pretty busy with his own stuff.

I think you misunderstood. I meant his juices are very similar to the Eco stuff. I'm not sure what pg/vg ratios he's using now.. but he may tailor your order to your preferences.


and AP: yes.. the Eco stuff is vaped plain. EcoFresh, EcoRich, Eco.. menthol? (can't remember the name)

 

[squirrel64]

Oh ok LB, I did misunderstand. Thanks for the replies. Maybe someone will figure it out one day

 

[Wench]

Oh ok LB, I did misunderstand. Thanks for the replies. Maybe someone will figure it out one day

Already have, it's not a hard one to duplicate.

 

[squirrel64]

Would you suggest TA Wench ?

 

[supremekizzle]

Already have, it's not a hard one to duplicate.

Care to elaborate?

Addition: I see a lot of people saying (or guessing) its ethyl maltol. It is already a FACT that it is in there. The ingredients they list are as follows: Aqueous VG (pretty much water + VG), Nicotine with VG base, Ethyl Maltol, and food safe flavoring. So the EM is already a given but it is not the sole constitute of this juice.

Addition #2: I myself have not tried ECOpure but want to make my own based on DR. V's award for analog replacement given to ECOpure. I just can not justify the $1/ml price tag it carries, especially for something they say only has four ingredients. I know, they did shell out some cash for lab testing purity of ingredients but those tests had to have been paid for multiple times by now. I think its safe to say that ECOpure is probably the most profitable juice out there. Also, what is the consistency of EP like? PG like? Thinned out VG? Just trying to get an idea of water content to add.

 

[aprioristic]

I looked at their site last night as well as some video reviews. I guess "rich" used to be called "rich tobacco", so that is what was throwing me off, plus the bad descriptions. Look up igetcha's reviews. He said there was a faint menthol smelling the "rich" even, then he said the same thing for the "fresh" but called it no flavor. I got no clue what they are putting in for that. The Rich isn't clear, pretty yellow. It looked plenty watered down too. It could be like 10-20% distilled water, but I am just guessing.

Nowadays they started selling FA flavors, but they formulated these before that, so it could be some no-name, pharma-grade flavorings. EM is similar to maltol, but stronger and more "jam-like" with strawberry nuances. Malt extracts are like 70% maltol. I would just get as many flavorings as you can that sound like they could be in it and experiment. I made a juice last night with all TPA stuff but it could be way off:

20 mini-pipette drops of 10% TA solution in PG (equivalent 10-15 normal drops?) - might have been too much or is the wrong tobacco.

4 drops Molasses, 4 caramel, 3 EM, 2 malted milk -- then I filled most of the rest of a 6ml bottle with base to like 5.5ml total. Tested it on a new HV 901 @ 4V and it was decent, pretty mild, little sweetness to it and a definite tobacco. You actually know what it tastes like though, so you have to do experiments like that.

It could be that they are using some chemicals solo, like 4,5-DIMETHYL-3-HYDROXY-2,5-DIHYDROFURAN-2-ONE, that you are never going to find in commercial flavorings alone. I wouldn't expect to necessarily get better than close without really knowing what you are doing.

 

[leannebug]

ok.. if you want to buy a cheaper version of Ecopure.. head over to BWB. Don's stuff is pretty close, and a much cheaper price tag, it's worth it.

If you want to try and make it, remember the following..

Eco is strictly VG, but it's not thick, so it's thinned out with something. I'd suggest using distilled water, since replicating it would mean NOT using PG.

The Fresh is some combination of: nic, VG, EM, distilled water
The Rich probably has the addition of some TA or something similar
The Menthol - the addition of menthol liquid, crystals, or similar






EDIT: took off the Krystal since I haven't tried it.

 

[Wench]

My suggestion... you have to actually try what your trying to replicate.
That is like cooking a banana pie and never tasted one before, you have no clue what it SHOULD taste ....

 

[aprioristic]

My suggestion... you have to actually try what your trying to replicate.
That is like cooking a banana pie and never tasted one before, you have no clue what it SHOULD taste ....

lol... Yes, that is true but I just wanted to make something while I was mixing anyhow. I'm just showing him the type of thing he needs to do. Why don't you tell us if you know?

ok.. if you want to buy a cheaper version of Ecopure.. head over to BWB. Don's stuff is pretty close, and a much cheaper price tag, it's worth it.

If you want to try and make it, remember the following..

Eco is strictly VG, but it's not thick, so it's thinned out with something. I'd suggest using distilled water, since replicating it would mean NOT using PG.

The Fresh is some combination of: nic, VG, EM, distilled water
The Rich probably has the addition of some TA or something similar
The Menthol - the addition of menthol liquid, crystals, or similar

Intellicig's spec sheet says it is distilled water. The review I saw made it sound like RY4 with some sort of caramel to it. That could be any one (or five) of hundreds of flavoring chemicals which one isn't necessarily going to find from a single source like FA. The menthol could also be a bunch of things besides just a touch of menthol. There's a bunch of different proprietary cooling agents.

 

[squirrel64]

To me it seems the sweetness is more pronounced than the tobacco. But both are ever so faint. Just a clean taste.

 

[leannebug]

I really dont think they delved into using Tobacco molecules or menthol equivalant to make these. If you haven't tasted them, the are VERY light. The "flavorings" are almost a 'barely there' .. an essense of flavoring. (Remember, the ECO line has been out for awhile.) I haven't liked the Rich enough to vape it for any extended periods of time, nor have I searched out the flavor.

The Fresh is easy. Nic, VG (thinned out with Distilled water), and a tiny bit of EM. Simple, easy.. this one isn't rocket science folks. If there IS some magical extra ingredient, they sure aren't going to divulge it to the masses.

They work BECAUSE they are simple.