I did a 2-day, water-only fast, and lost 4 lbs (prob half water/emptying my colon) but ate around 1k calories today. Apparently, it's not that unhealthy because your body just relies on fat (converted to ketones) after your glucose/glycogen stores are used up. I felt pretty good until today when the hunger was too great and I cracked.... but they say that if you make it past the first 2-3 days the hunger subsides as you enter into ketosis. I'm going to try a week fast starting tomorrow and see how it works out in terms of weight loss/energy.
Anyone tried fasting?
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I do not have the willpower for that, plus I love to cook.
Why don't you at least get some low calorie foods to at least lower the hunger pains. For the most part it will work to lose weight, but not to sound like a broken record, it really has a very low chance of lasting. But you will lack energy and there is a pretty good chance you will be quite obsessed with thinking about food, heh. The real way to not become hungry anymore is to get to such a low weight, it really does screw up your mind. This is why anorexia has about a 95% fail rate of recovery if a person leaves treatment before they are at a fairly normal weight. Sadly I cant count on my fingers and my toes how many anorexics I have knows(they met the DSM criteria which is not a small feat, heh).
But if you want some low calorie foods, and I mean low, that do not include salad, check out shirataki noodles(go to your local asian store they all have em.) 16 ounces of noodles(in water) is about 10 calories. They smell bad and have a weird texture, but if you learn how to cook it, they are really good. Check out hungry girl's website for some more tips if you want.
Why don't you at least get some low calorie foods to at least lower the hunger pains. For the most part it will work to lose weight, but not to sound like a broken record, it really has a very low chance of lasting. But you will lack energy and there is a pretty good chance you will be quite obsessed with thinking about food, heh. The real way to not become hungry anymore is to get to such a low weight, it really does screw up your mind. This is why anorexia has about a 95% fail rate of recovery if a person leaves treatment before they are at a fairly normal weight. Sadly I cant count on my fingers and my toes how many anorexics I have knows(they met the DSM criteria which is not a small feat, heh).
But if you want some low calorie foods, and I mean low, that do not include salad, check out shirataki noodles(go to your local asian store they all have em.) 16 ounces of noodles(in water) is about 10 calories. They smell bad and have a weird texture, but if you learn how to cook it, they are really good. Check out hungry girl's website for some more tips if you want.
Yeah I cracked today and as of now I ate almost 2500 cals. I read that if you eat ANY form of calories, ketosis stops, and this is the main form of weightloss that people who water fast experience. It's pure fat once you wipe out the liver and muscle stores of glucose (and a small amount of muscle) and after the fat, your muscles are then used as fuel which leads to death (heart tissue catabolized) - but you're supposed to stop before that happens. I need to lose probably 40lbs of fat and I have a lot of bulky muscles from when I used to do heavy lifting that I want to get rid of. I read that once you are a few days into ketosis (5-6 days after the start of the fast) you have tons of energy as your body adapts to running on ketones. I was anorexic (and 40lbs lighter) before about 4 years ago and obsessed about my diet but since starting weightlifting I've become obese with all the food I've eaten (probably compensating for my anorexic days since I now have eaten a much wider variety of food). For me it is spiritual also - I want to regain the self-control I had when I was anorexic but now that I understand my body better from lifting, I want to start lifting from an under 10% body fat percentage to avoid looking like a gorilla (as I do now) and building up my overall health using proper dieting. Right now it seems I have too much fat on my body to effectively achieve my goals without becoming excessively fat and I want to start from a clean slate.
Is fasting a good idea at all if you were anorexic? surely it's playing with fire somewhat, a bit like an ex smoker buying a pv, or an alcoholic drinking alcohol free beer?
Just go on Atkins and cut out carbs/sugar. Fasting just makes your body go into starvation mode and you end up not being able to lose anything and gaining when you eat like a normal person. If you eat less than 20 carbs a day and no sugar, you will enter ketosis--while not being hungry and eating all the protein and fats you want. I've lost 23 pounds in 2 months on Atkins and feel great. It is an amazing diet, you can eat so many things---
The problems with Atkins is that it's been proven to cause increased bad cholesterol and blood pressure. In contrast, fasting has been proven to decrease these things even when done intermittently (1-2 breaks between fasts).
I've fasted. And diets don't work. Look into:
"The Gabriel Method" Some people have been
having some results with that.
But yeah. I fast. And I'm vegan. So...
"The Gabriel Method" Some people have been
having some results with that.
But yeah. I fast. And I'm vegan. So...
I WAS anorexic - now I'm a chubby haha... but when I was anorexic I had very good skin and looked way better than I do now. I think I'm at the moderate opposite of anorexia with a little over-eating that causes me to gain weight if I don't do any exercise. I liked the way I was able to handle my urges when I was anorexic though - I was crazy disciplined in everything I did and had a fixed schedule. Now I'm really sloppy and am often late for things... things I attribute to my letting go of myself as an over-response to my ascetic days 
. I have much more knowledge of physiological and biological mechanisms now than I did when I was anorexic so I think I will be able to handle going too far since my overall goal is to build up again from a low body fat. When I was anorexic I was at around 8% BF and had a 6-pack and would run anywhere from 5-10 miles a day easily on around 1k calories a day. When I started lifting I went overboard on bulking, downing everything I saw that had tons of calories (2-3 cans of spam a day ahah) so you can see that I kinda lost control of myself...
. I have much more knowledge of physiological and biological mechanisms now than I did when I was anorexic so I think I will be able to handle going too far since my overall goal is to build up again from a low body fat. When I was anorexic I was at around 8% BF and had a 6-pack and would run anywhere from 5-10 miles a day easily on around 1k calories a day. When I started lifting I went overboard on bulking, downing everything I saw that had tons of calories (2-3 cans of spam a day ahah) so you can see that I kinda lost control of myself...
I heard a guy talking the other day about diets, he was a fitness coach. He just wrote a book about weight training. His name escapes me right now. He was purty!
So am thinking about maybe getting a Bow-Flex. Course I'd have to build onto the house to have room for it, so maybe the building-on would get my muscles built up enough I wouldn't need the Bow-Flex.
See how these things go??
But, his theory is that healthy eating was promoted, but that weight training is the only way to build a good metabolism for consistently burning calories. Sensible eating was not considered dieting.
So am thinking about maybe getting a Bow-Flex. Course I'd have to build onto the house to have room for it, so maybe the building-on would get my muscles built up enough I wouldn't need the Bow-Flex.
See how these things go??
But, his theory is that healthy eating was promoted, but that weight training is the only way to build a good metabolism for consistently burning calories. Sensible eating was not considered dieting.
This is the problem with ED, quick fixes are chosen over logic. Knowing what you know, I am sure you know that getting on a regular diet(this is subjective in regards to regular diet) in the long run is the best way to lose weight. You already have shown that you went from no calories to 1k to 2.5k. Next will be a cake, pie, fried foods, and maybe a cookie(ok, I am being sarcastic and making a joke.)
I think this is the best advice anyone can give you. If you are willing, find a RD. Try them out, do what they say. If it works, keep with it, if its bad, find another. I have seen RD that are so dumb it makes you wonder how they passed high school(this is not a joke).
Really though, find someone who gives advice and that you get along with and do that. Ignoring all those small tricks, it always comes down to IN vs OUT. Burn more calories than you take in. It really does not take that much. Ignore most books and websites. They will just try to sell you stuff(or in the books case, it sold you the book).
Food wise, really look at hungry girl if you want to find lower calorie foods/recepies. Next best thing to a proANA website.
And I am really trying to not sound mean, but dont always view knowledge of bio and phys as an ability to stop before you go to far. An example is 75% of Type 1 diabetics polled admitted omitting insulin as a way to control weight gain(this was from a Journal study done in late 80's early 90's). Diabetics in general tend to weigh more than people their age because sometimes they must eat more, among other reasons. Thanks to the education given to them that omitting their insulin will cause their body not to obsorbe any calories because insulin is required to turn glucose into energy. Hence why before T1 was understood many would be emaciated when they died.
Sorry for my long rant. In the end I hope everything works out for you. My view still stays the same as it has in the past, that most people in ED or going back into it know the difference between right and wrong, its what they choose to do(until it goes to far, thats when choice is gone)
I think this is the best advice anyone can give you. If you are willing, find a RD. Try them out, do what they say. If it works, keep with it, if its bad, find another. I have seen RD that are so dumb it makes you wonder how they passed high school(this is not a joke).
Really though, find someone who gives advice and that you get along with and do that. Ignoring all those small tricks, it always comes down to IN vs OUT. Burn more calories than you take in. It really does not take that much. Ignore most books and websites. They will just try to sell you stuff(or in the books case, it sold you the book).
Food wise, really look at hungry girl if you want to find lower calorie foods/recepies. Next best thing to a proANA website.
And I am really trying to not sound mean, but dont always view knowledge of bio and phys as an ability to stop before you go to far. An example is 75% of Type 1 diabetics polled admitted omitting insulin as a way to control weight gain(this was from a Journal study done in late 80's early 90's). Diabetics in general tend to weigh more than people their age because sometimes they must eat more, among other reasons. Thanks to the education given to them that omitting their insulin will cause their body not to obsorbe any calories because insulin is required to turn glucose into energy. Hence why before T1 was understood many would be emaciated when they died.
Sorry for my long rant. In the end I hope everything works out for you. My view still stays the same as it has in the past, that most people in ED or going back into it know the difference between right and wrong, its what they choose to do(until it goes to far, thats when choice is gone)
Personally, I don't think the human body was built for the Atkins method. Your body has a backup system if you cut out the carbs-->over time--not good for the body! I eat pretty much whatever I want without gaining weight because I don't over do it. Unlike my sisters, I have my mom's genes and has the potential to get fat but haven't. My sisters have my dad's genes, and they can pig out and not get fat at all. It must be on my dad's side of the family because my cousin said he tried to gain weight but couldn't even after loading up on fattening goodies.
Anyhow, Atkins must have skipped school when the basic food groups was taught. Correct me if I'm wrong but it didn't say anything about skipping the carb--like bread! 8-o
It sounds like you're yoyoing between not eating enough and eating too much. This in itself is not healthy. Why go on any type of "diet" to lose weight? Why not just eat normally with healthy foods and your weight should stabalize.
And yes, I have fasted for different periods of time, a week being the longest, but it was for religious reasons.
And yes, I have fasted for different periods of time, a week being the longest, but it was for religious reasons.
It's just tricking your body is all--just like your tricking yourself right now into thinking you are smoking, but you are NOT! It's not so bad. It's definitely not long-term. He should take the Atkin's approach and do lots of cardio. Pretty simple.
When I heavy lifted I gained probably 30lbs in muscle but got really flabby because my appetite was through the roof. I recently read a times article in which they presented some medical studies that showed that exercising did not significantly reduce weight when food wasn't controlled - in fact the article concluded that exercise can contribute to weight gain because of the increased hunger.
The problem I have is that I keep shifting my goals - when I was anorexic I wanted to be huge, while when I was heavy lifting I didn't care and got up to 200lbs... at each of these points I maintained the same weight for around 2 years... so I think it really is psychological as you say. I guess I just need to stick to health more than looks in choosing a way to eat...
Yeah carbs are a fast energy source that we rely on daily - also Atkins has been shown to increase cholesterol and BP...
I'm kinda repelled by meat now - it's hard to eat meat when trying to lose weight if you gained 20lbs in a month from a high protein diet haha. I'll research it more though.
So anyway, I stopped my fast last Friday night - it was a 2 day fast, and I had a 1 day fast a day before that previously and since then I have been eating low-cal with some chicken and mostly healthy foods, avoiding fat where possible. I lost 6 lbs from this time last week so I guess the 2-day fast and eating healthier really did help. I'm not as hungry as I was before fasting and get full a lot faster. I'm gonna try a 5 day fast this week starting today and see how much I lose and how it affects my well being. Right now I feel like it greatly improved my mental health - I feel healthier and have less desire for food. My hunger is much more controllable now and I seem to be more creative.
Who could ask for anything more.
Next step is to write a book about your experience.
When I was in college I got down to 99 pounds. I'm 6 foot three.
As I understand it, that was not at all healthy. I weigh about 190 now.
My girl friend likes a little extra weight on me. More to love.
I could care less how much I weigh. But it really was a struggle
moving past my weight problems, and I can relate, so good luck.
And before anyone can ask: WTF does weight have to do with an
e-cigarette forum... well, quitting smoking is notorious for weight
gain. So, people with "issues" in that area have a valid point of discussion.
Personally I lost weight when I gave up smoking. I really believe the
body's natural job is to maintain health. Quitting smoking was a
step in the right direction, and my body followed suit by losing a bit
of weight.
Like I said, I wish you luck, gashin. And to anyone else who
struggles with these issues.
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