Anyone tried working with Tobacco companies rather than against them?

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Perrien

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The primary objective of any business is to make money. "Big oil", "Big tobacco" and "Big pharma" are in the business to make money, not to kill the planet and their customers so they can get drunk off the tears of grieving widows. They want to provide products and services that 1) customers have a demand for and 2) are economically feasible.

How many of you previous smokers have written to the tobacco of choice company and asked them if they have or are looking into the e-cig business? Let them know that you've been a loyal user for X years, you know and are comfortable with them. You're not so thrilled with all the complicated e-cig devices that are out there and if they offered a device from a trusted company, you'd be interested in trying it out. Maybe even throw in a little xenophobic "dangerous Chinese juices" for good measure.

Of course we know what's going on in the short term. ALL tobacco companies are looking closely at the e-cig market. It's currently minuscule compared to tobacco so they may not be doing much with it but it's certainly on their radar (as is legal <what is now legal in CO> and any number of other similar products).

Realistically all we can hope for short term is a form letter back saying thank you for your interest, we hope to keep you as a happy customer. In the longer term, with enough letters and inquiries, they may start looking at the market OPPORTUNITY that e-cigs provide rather than the threat. Especially if we show interest in their products rather than immediately dismissing them as just "big tobacco". After all, if you're looking to and are likely to stop buying Camel cigs, they'd rather you get their e-Cam starter kit with Bactrian e-juice (twice the nicotine than the regular Dromedary!) than switch to some other company completely.

I know Lorilard recently purchased Blu and they seem to be looking to promote it rather than squash it. Other tobacco companies are definitely looking into e-cigs and it would be better to let them know that you'd be interested in their product rather than are looking to someone else to get away from them. Frame it as a way to keep you as a customer rather than loosing you to someone else.

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Do not kid yourself, they are more then looking lol PM bought/or is working with the makers of the first ecig, (name escapes me) they will in time become part of the vaping market in their own capacity. but like any big business they will do it after research, investment, board meetings and analysis of the market and products..

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I'll write to them when they start taking benzene, formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, arsenic, hydrogen cyanide or any of the hundreds of other chemicals out of cigarettes. Maybe even do something about the 700 pesky bacterial species in cigarettes Inhaling Bacteria with Cigarette Smoke: Scientific American Why would I care if they made more money?
 

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Perrien

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I like this idea too. They have well funded research teams and could advance the e-cig world drastically, even bring new jobs to America in this industry.

Agreed. I think the e-cig world is still too complicated to really reach mass market. What's with these flashlight sized batteries with knobs to go from 3.2 to 5.1 volts? atomizers with 2.4 ohm resistance? Ridiculous. Maybe have a slider with more battery life on one end and more vapor on the other.

Big companies have the resources to advance the technology well ahead of where it is and have the economies of scale to bring prices down.

You may not like the iPhone or Apple but you have to admit they made the smartphone market infinitely better than it was before.
 

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I worry about what would happen if BT got involved in vaping more. With all of the terrible chemicals they add to their tobacco, I feel like they would do the same thing if they made juice.

At the same time I think they may be the best hope we have against being banned everywhere. They have the money to fund research and fight politicians, and their history proves that they're willing to do so. As long as they don't push for regulations that put smaller vendors out of business, which I don't think they would.
 

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I'm just wondering which tobacco company you work for? I don't hate em but I don't want em back in my life. It would be like a former alcoholic asking Coors to start making a cola or fruit drink so he or she can still give them his money. Piss on that. You are entitled to your opinion and can post what you like but this topic seems fishy to me. A brand new member who's first act is to say hey guys, lets be bffs with the tobacco companies... yea right. Good luck with that. :vapor:
 

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All of the tobacco companies either have products out or they are working on deals. They know more about us than we do. A few emails may do, um...not much. They already know it. It's their business. These people aren't gullible and they aren't dumb. They work off of bottom line and when the time is right, bam. They don't need anyone's help. my 2c
 

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I'm just wondering which tobacco company you work for?

I'm totally innocent on that one. I just get annoyed at the general anti-big-business sentiment that's out there (not just tobacco, of course). If BT really wanted to crush e-cigs, they wouldn't have a very hard time doing it. They're not going to ignore it forever, they'll either get into the market or view it as competition. Take your pick as to which you'd prefer.

Besides, isn't that just an ad hominem attack?
 

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We will never get anywhere because vapers are apathetic.
They are also looking at BT as the enemy when the ANTZ are the real enemy.
You may not smoke anymore but some of you spout the same type of rhetoric as the ANTZ extremists.
We need lobbyist, fundraisers, lawyers and more people on the ground.
We will not raise the money necessary to have a viable movement with vapers donating a few bucks here and there.
We need someone who can do some serious fundraising for our little hobby or whatever you choose to call it.
We need vapers to stand the hell up and speak at meetings when they come to ban our ecig products.
How many of you do that now?
Unless I'm mistaken "darksyde" you are a new vaper also which has nothing to do with the topic or the opinion he holds.
Geez........
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These people have been crushing competition for longer than I've been alive. They don't want us as allies. My anti- big business sentiment is aimed at some massive companies that cheat, lie, and steal while hundreds of thousands of people are dropping dead yearly from their poison. I have no respect for them. Zero.
 
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