so did you start smoking 2 packs a day? or did you work your way up to two packs a day, as your tolerance increased, eventually reaching your comfort level?
what might be right for some...
Anyone vapes 48mg?
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so did you start smoking 2 packs a day? or did you work your way up to two packs a day, as your tolerance increased, eventually reaching your comfort level?
what might be right for some...
Very clever...but to answer your question I didn't start smoking 2 packs a day but it did gradually increase... and that's average so it wasn't as much as the "comfort level" as you said trying to open some light to me (I only take this response to what assumes to be a rhetorical question just to shine the light to the error of my ways..and assumption is based on your last condescending remark "what might be right for some....) any back to my comment...
it was more of availability of time and opportunity during the day i.e. at work where smoke breaks are limited or out drinking on the weekend where I could smoke like a train.....
and if I started of smoking ultra light filters and desided to smoke camel filterless to better manage my time my comfort level would have been at a higher state than if I just stuck with ULF cigarettes.
what might be right for some dot dot dot has nothing to do with my statement the quoted poster at the beginning of this thread that my original comment was about her INTENT to increase nic level to DECREASE the amount of times the PV would be sucked on
and that my friend is the fallacy i was shedding light on NOT IF someone NEEDED HIGHER NIC than another OR NOT I understand that in fact I think I learned that somewhere between now and when you were 2 when I had my first cigarette
SINCE I wasn't trying to start a big argument IF you have any backing evidence that increasing intake of a substance will not increase tolerance levels or form a new "COMFORT ZONE" than I would be MORE than happy take that in and LEARN something because that was the whole point when I asked if I am wrong NOT if you agree with an OPINION but if there were MISSING FACTS
Thank you and good day sir or ma'am
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OH one more thing KCC if you are going to quote me quote everything not pick out the bits that help make you sound witty
so you point out that, not having all the time in the world, one could choose to smoke a full flavor, or filter-less cigarette to get the same level of enjoyment..
has everything to do with your statement, and was a summation of my thoughts, not an attack as you perceived it
proving what, age and wisdom are not the same thing? (see i can be malicious too)
you obviously level off somewhere, otherwise you'd have been smoking three packs a day of unfiltered, no?
does color coding make you feel better than just quoting the section I wish to comment on?
You know, your different, Im different. I knew when I smoked too much, I get a killer migrane and other undesirable effects. Right now I'd like to say Im a big girl, and my husband has his big boy pants on and we will do whatever it takes to stay of analongs, and if that means I wanna vape 100mg strenght, As long as I cant tell I can handle it, then I will. We are starting slow and moving up to find out where we need to be. Sorry if it bothers you that I vape high nic....maybe we should talk much cause Im sure theres other things I might let slip that will shock you, and god for bid we dont agree
I'm against any kind of drug legislation, people should be allowed to kill themselves and Darwin's law should prevail. However, anything that starts killing people short-term tends to get banned and legislated the hell out of, just a hint. I'm pretty sure what Totally Wicked are embarking on in the UK will be just enough to push our country along the same path as the U.S. in terms of legislation.
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I agree Googled. I hope that we all err on the side of caution and that no tragic accidents occur. This is unchartered territory and we have no real historical information to go on. Please, everyone, take care of yourselves.
I have tried it but seems a bit much for me. I wouldn't advise anyone to vape it for long... lol
sounds like you're saying someone is going to take a puff of 54mg nic juice and just die right on the spot...?
Not necessarily, but getting sick when they are using something in a manner not intended.
Sort of like dopey college kids drinking themselves sick because they haven't got the sense not to.
People have big holes in their brains, and governments tend to legislate to protect the ones with the holes in their heads as opposed to the ones with sense.
All it is going to take is one idiot in an emergency room after vaping high-strength juice (intended for mixing) to get all juice sold be 4 mg tops--if at all.
Well said!
I've been working up from 18mg samplers and 5 or more analogs per day to a current level of 30mg and one or two analogs per day. I too want to take a few hits and put it down, and will go to whatever nic level I find it takes to completely displace my analog habit.
I started at 36 and it hit the spot right off the bat for me. I found that I wanted some 48 mg for my WMDS times and it has worked perfectly. As for nic strength, everyone has their own level. You might vape 11mg and think that 36 mg is a "crazy" amount but people vape/inhle differently.
This past week or so I've cut my nic down to 24mg and I find that it was really easy to do. So let's take a moment to regroup and understand that people will vape the strength that they want and most will eventually decide to cut down their nic strength (once they are in their comfort zone) and find that it is amazingly easy to do with these devices.
over 2 months with 36-48 mg juice didn't raise my tolerance or hinder my ability to cut down to 24.
This past week or so I've cut my nic down to 24mg and I find that it was really easy to do. So let's take a moment to regroup and understand that people will vape the strength that they want and most will eventually decide to cut down their nic strength (once they are in their comfort zone) and find that it is amazingly easy to do with these devices.
over 2 months with 36-48 mg juice didn't raise my tolerance or hinder my ability to cut down to 24.
Boy, after reading all this I feel like a total nic wimp. I started at 18, cut it to 12, and am now at 6. Each transition was almost effortless. The goal for me is zero nic and I don't think it'll be much of a problem.
The other day I dripped some 24 and after 4 hits thought I was gonna pass out. Amazing how fast your tolerance changes! God bless you guys who can do 48!!
The other day I dripped some 24 and after 4 hits thought I was gonna pass out. Amazing how fast your tolerance changes! God bless you guys who can do 48!!
Thank you Porphy,,, more comments like this as opposed to "whats good for one..","we all have our own opinions"" what's good for the goose"" etc would have prevented me to post small tangents
I still think there is a possibility for someone to spiral upward, but you just showed me that it is also possible to get back down if one so chooses
Well, I may have a huge hole in my brain, but I've been habitually vaping 48 mg juice for weeks now. I stopped craving cigarettes and my need for nicotine has finally been satiated. Not once have I experienced anything negative, no side effects, no overwhelming compulsion to go down to the school yard and sell nicotine to young children. I do vape less on 48 mg and trust my body to self-regulate my addiction to nicotine, just as it did when I got my nicotine through smoking. I never once intended to withdraw from nicotine by using an e-cig, just wanted a healthier substitute. 48 mg does it for me and I'm a very happy vaper. )
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Well this is my 2 cents.
I get all my juice and supplies, from the biggest China supplier.
They supply 90 percent of the juice that comes out of CHina.
They have been making the cigs and juice there for 20 years now.
There highest was 36mg. About 3 to 4 months ago, they quit making 36mg. Claiming it was too strong. Now, this comes from the biggest maker of juice there is.
ANd in china mind you, where there gov. just passed new laws to encourage them to smoke more. Mind you, not making 36mg. any longer, obviously they are losing out on money. SO, put it all together, and there has to be a pretty good reason, not to manufacture the juice at that strength.
I use 36mg. Once in a blue moon, but thats it, and Ive never felt weird off of it.
But, I definitely think anything higher is too much,
Everyone makes there own descions though.
All we need is someone ODing off of too high of nic. liquid, that would really helpare chances of them being legalized.
Like I said, Im just pointing out the obvious things here.
I could care less what any of you decide to do, cuz your big boys and girls.
ANd Im sure,, we have all tried much worse things for us, in our lifetimes,
I know I have.
I get all my juice and supplies, from the biggest China supplier.
They supply 90 percent of the juice that comes out of CHina.
They have been making the cigs and juice there for 20 years now.
There highest was 36mg. About 3 to 4 months ago, they quit making 36mg. Claiming it was too strong. Now, this comes from the biggest maker of juice there is.
ANd in china mind you, where there gov. just passed new laws to encourage them to smoke more. Mind you, not making 36mg. any longer, obviously they are losing out on money. SO, put it all together, and there has to be a pretty good reason, not to manufacture the juice at that strength.
I use 36mg. Once in a blue moon, but thats it, and Ive never felt weird off of it.
But, I definitely think anything higher is too much,
Everyone makes there own descions though.
All we need is someone ODing off of too high of nic. liquid, that would really helpare chances of them being legalized.
Like I said, Im just pointing out the obvious things here.
I could care less what any of you decide to do, cuz your big boys and girls.
ANd Im sure,, we have all tried much worse things for us, in our lifetimes,
I know I have.
Only thing I would worry about is becoming dependant on 48 mg liquid when 24 may be more in line to keep away the withdrawal effect from analog withdrawal. If it was me, I would definitely be cutting back ASAP. I don't know what you were using as far as analongs, but no cigarette has that volume of nicotine in it.
I started out at 16-18 mg/ml juice, but was very jittery and HUNGRY, so went to 24 mg/ml for about 3 months. Then I cut that by 25%, down to 18 mg, without so much as a bad day. No withdrawal whatsoever. So have been using 18 since, now may be a good time to cut it down some more, to 12mg and see how it goes. That would be perfect! After 6 months+ I am happy as a clam with 18mg. Have even slowed down my vaping sessions, fewer and not so long. Am still perfectly content.
48 mg/ml would render me unconscious, after I got done throwing up, and I was a 2-3 pack a day smoker. When you say "I'm Hooked!" that may be quite true ~ hooked on 48mg/ml. A little dangerous on a daily basis. Have you checked your Blood Pressure lately??
I started out at 16-18 mg/ml juice, but was very jittery and HUNGRY, so went to 24 mg/ml for about 3 months. Then I cut that by 25%, down to 18 mg, without so much as a bad day. No withdrawal whatsoever. So have been using 18 since, now may be a good time to cut it down some more, to 12mg and see how it goes. That would be perfect! After 6 months+ I am happy as a clam with 18mg. Have even slowed down my vaping sessions, fewer and not so long. Am still perfectly content.
48 mg/ml would render me unconscious, after I got done throwing up, and I was a 2-3 pack a day smoker. When you say "I'm Hooked!" that may be quite true ~ hooked on 48mg/ml. A little dangerous on a daily basis. Have you checked your Blood Pressure lately??
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I think it's also important to bear in mind that we are getting far less nicotine through vaping than we did from a comparable amount of smoking. If you look over the evidence that a very small percentage of the total mg. of nicotine in liquid is absorbed into the bloodstream, it's easy to see why vaping low nic levels can leave you with cravings. I don't really care how many mg. there are in my juice, it's what I sense from the results of vaping that matters. It matters to me because it's what keeps me away from cigarettes. The shock or concern people are voicing is disproportional to the dangers of e-liquid. If 48 mg were that dangerous, I'd have succumbed long ago.
Like the majority of people, I am averse to discomfort or pain. I'm not going to blindly continue taking in something that is making me feel ill or uncomfortable. Nicotine is a positive physiological reinforcement--if it were unpleasant or life-threatening, none of us would have continued using it, let alone until we dropped dead from it. There are people who will swallow a full bottle of aspirin, but the gov't doesn't try to limit the supply of aspirin to the public as a result. Our government is aware there are self-destructive fools for whom you cannot ban all known substances simply because they could find a way to harm or kill themselves one way or another. You can drink enough water to die if you are really so inclined. We are sophisticated creatures, right down to the bottom of the food chain. We don't need to measure sodium concentrations in our bodily fluid to know when we need water--we get thirsty! We drink until our bodies reach homeostasis, then we aren't thirsty anymore. Same with food, same with nicotine (for which our brains signal a need when it runs dry), same with any other "need". I'm not saying there won't be some aspiring candidate for the Darwin Award who will pour their e-liquid on the rocks and swig it down just to see what happens and it won't bother me much if the FDA moves to ban it. It might be harder to stay supplied, but it won't be impossible. The gov't has done a great job of eliminating marijuana, haven't they? If I'm not going to let my own gov't. determine the amount of nicotine I need, I'm sure as hell not going to let the Chinese gov't. do so. Who arbitrarily decides how much nicotine should be put into e-liquid?
"I'll sleep when I'm dead!" ~Zevon
Like the majority of people, I am averse to discomfort or pain. I'm not going to blindly continue taking in something that is making me feel ill or uncomfortable. Nicotine is a positive physiological reinforcement--if it were unpleasant or life-threatening, none of us would have continued using it, let alone until we dropped dead from it. There are people who will swallow a full bottle of aspirin, but the gov't doesn't try to limit the supply of aspirin to the public as a result. Our government is aware there are self-destructive fools for whom you cannot ban all known substances simply because they could find a way to harm or kill themselves one way or another. You can drink enough water to die if you are really so inclined. We are sophisticated creatures, right down to the bottom of the food chain. We don't need to measure sodium concentrations in our bodily fluid to know when we need water--we get thirsty! We drink until our bodies reach homeostasis, then we aren't thirsty anymore. Same with food, same with nicotine (for which our brains signal a need when it runs dry), same with any other "need". I'm not saying there won't be some aspiring candidate for the Darwin Award who will pour their e-liquid on the rocks and swig it down just to see what happens and it won't bother me much if the FDA moves to ban it. It might be harder to stay supplied, but it won't be impossible. The gov't has done a great job of eliminating marijuana, haven't they? If I'm not going to let my own gov't. determine the amount of nicotine I need, I'm sure as hell not going to let the Chinese gov't. do so. Who arbitrarily decides how much nicotine should be put into e-liquid?
"I'll sleep when I'm dead!" ~Zevon
I vape 48mg daily with no ill effects whatsoever. In fact, I can barely feel it, even first thing in the morning.
I smoked Drum- a dark very high-nic shag tobacco for ages. Every now and then someone would bum one. Only one. It knocked many a Marlboro and even a few Pall Mall filterless truckdrivers on their butts.
It seems very little nic is absorbed through vaping.
To be honest 48mg barely satisfies even now after months of vaping.
Tolerance perhaps?
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I smoked Drum- a dark very high-nic shag tobacco for ages. Every now and then someone would bum one. Only one. It knocked many a Marlboro and even a few Pall Mall filterless truckdrivers on their butts.
It seems very little nic is absorbed through vaping.
To be honest 48mg barely satisfies even now after months of vaping.
Tolerance perhaps?
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Those of you doing the 48mg/ml, how many millilters per day are you vaping.....If it's one or two, you'd be fine. If it's 2 per hour, you problably would not be fine. That's all I'm saying. You would know if the total was too high, all I'm saying is to be watchful of other things, like your blood pressure, driving, slurred speech, overly tired, nauseous, etc....
One cartful of 36 mg is past nauseating to me. 3 or 4 puffs would make me want to go lay down on a circular surface! And it takes about 10 minutes for the full impact. By then you could have really overdone it. Whatever works for you, but be careful about what you advise others. That's just my best advice. TheLizinator is right, we absorb about 10% of nicotine from vapor. Much less than with analogs. So unless you're drinking it I guess you do what you have to do. Hope everyone is careful with their juices! Stay safe!
One cartful of 36 mg is past nauseating to me. 3 or 4 puffs would make me want to go lay down on a circular surface! And it takes about 10 minutes for the full impact. By then you could have really overdone it. Whatever works for you, but be careful about what you advise others. That's just my best advice. TheLizinator is right, we absorb about 10% of nicotine from vapor. Much less than with analogs. So unless you're drinking it I guess you do what you have to do. Hope everyone is careful with their juices! Stay safe!
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