She asked me this too, I really don't know the answer. I believe they are asleep in death awaiting judgement day, but i"m not 100% sure. I hope you guys can answer this for me.
Are Adam and Eve in Heaven?
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In short answer yes.
In long answer....
Before Jesus died on the Cross Old Test saints went to a place in hell called Abraham's Bosom. We know this place was real because Jesus mentioned it in Luke 16. This is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
Luk 16:19 "There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
Luk 16:20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
Luk 16:21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.'
Luk 16:27 And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house--
Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers--so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.'
Luk 16:29 But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.'
Luk 16:30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
Luk 16:31 He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"
Abraham's Bosom was a place for the righteous dead. It was in Hell but it was a place of comfort. In other words Hell before the cross had a good side and a bad side. Those that lived before the Law like adam and Eve and thoses that looked for the comming Messiah such as say King David went there. After Jesus died he went to hell to clear out Abraham's Bosom. IT IS EMPTY NOW. Jesus took all those waiting there to Heaven after he died on the cross. Now when we die, if we are believers we go straight to heaven.
Here is a wonderful writ up about it at Bible Questions Answered
What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abrahams bosom?
In long answer....
Before Jesus died on the Cross Old Test saints went to a place in hell called Abraham's Bosom. We know this place was real because Jesus mentioned it in Luke 16. This is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
Luk 16:19 "There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
Luk 16:20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
Luk 16:21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.'
Luk 16:27 And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house--
Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers--so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.'
Luk 16:29 But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.'
Luk 16:30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
Luk 16:31 He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"
Abraham's Bosom was a place for the righteous dead. It was in Hell but it was a place of comfort. In other words Hell before the cross had a good side and a bad side. Those that lived before the Law like adam and Eve and thoses that looked for the comming Messiah such as say King David went there. After Jesus died he went to hell to clear out Abraham's Bosom. IT IS EMPTY NOW. Jesus took all those waiting there to Heaven after he died on the cross. Now when we die, if we are believers we go straight to heaven.
Here is a wonderful writ up about it at Bible Questions Answered
What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abrahams bosom?
Then what does it mean in 1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
I've been under the notion, that if one were to die BEFORE the judgment day but saved, consciousness would cease, as if we were asleep, the next waking moment we would know would be judgment day and thus we go straight to judgment.
No. The place is/was not hell. It is called Hades (realm of the unseen) and all of this comes through very poor translation. There is nothing biblical saying that Hades has been done away with. Jesus never went to hell this is a poor translation. 1 Peter 3:18 ff Noah and his family were certainly not in hell.
Hell, Gehenna is never mentioned in the OT. The Hades/hell interpretation of the OT falls clearly on the mis-interpretations of the KJV.
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Partially agree. I don't know if consciousness would cease as the rich man was very aware of what was happening. The Bible also says that Lazarus was comforted. Can one be unconscious and be comforted at the same time?
Here is a good passage that both shows that believers do not die (the second and real death) and that Jesus clearly professed to be God.
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Here is a discription of the death of saints.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Jesus's words to the thief on the cross next to him.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Here is the Strong's on the Old Testament word wich is translated hell, hades, sheol, grave or pit. It seemed to a holding place.
H7585
שׁאל שׁאול
she'ôl she'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
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e-Sword - the Sword of the LORD with an electronic edge
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Here is a discription of the death of saints.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Jesus's words to the thief on the cross next to him.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Here is the Strong's on the Old Testament word wich is translated hell, hades, sheol, grave or pit. It seemed to a holding place.
H7585
שׁאל שׁאול
she'ôl she'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
I use e-sword. Here's a link for free download of bibles, commentaries, dictionaries, concordances...
e-Sword - the Sword of the LORD with an electronic edge
Picture Hades as a "circle"
Draw a line through the center of the circle--this is the great gulf
Label one side "torment"
Label one side "paradise"
It is neither heaven nor hell. It is the holding place that you speak of.
Remember:
Sheol=Grave
Hades=Realm of unseen/dead
Gehenna=Hell
From Strong's Hebrew and Greek dictionaries
G86
αδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, Hades or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
7584
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Transliteration: sheol or sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Short Definition: grave
No matter what you call it, it means the same thing. Unbelievers go to hell when they die same as they did before the cross. Abraham's Bosom is where the righteous dead went before the cross. ALL unbelievers go to hell before and after the cross. They know that they are there.
G86
αδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, Hades or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
7584
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Transliteration: sheol or sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Short Definition: grave
No matter what you call it, it means the same thing. Unbelievers go to hell when they die same as they did before the cross. Abraham's Bosom is where the righteous dead went before the cross. ALL unbelievers go to hell before and after the cross. They know that they are there.
that is about the Rapture. The whole verse IN CONTEXT.
1Th 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
When we die our souls go to heaven. Our earthly body is left here to rot. When the rapture happens our corrupt bodies become incorrupt.
1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
1Co 15:55 "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
Where do you find in scripture that heaven is open for business? Where do you find that Gehenna/hell is open for business?
I agree in part. Unbelievers will go to hell with no reprieve. However they are not there yet. They are being held in Hades awaiting God's day just as the righteous are waiting their reward. The final judgment will be only to tell one why they are classified as they are. Hence Jesus said...I was hungry, thirsty, naked and you didn't do anything about it.
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2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
Paul is talking to believers here. When we die we are present with the Lord.
and again unbelievers are in hell. the rich man was being tormented immediately after death in Luke 16. They know they are in hell and they know how and why they got there.
Back to what I said about Hades. One place--two compartments contained therein. One is paradise, one is torment. Neither is the final place, there remains hell for the wicked and heaven for the righteous. Jesus no where states that Hades would be abolished by His death. Jesus was actually explaining the idea to the very ones who would continue the doctrine and take it to the entire world. The presence of the Lord does not always/naturally mean heaven. You are in the presence of the Lord tonight but you are not in heaven.
When Jesus died on the cross he cleared out the good side of hell. It is now empty. thats why we go straight to heaven.
See more about it here
Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection?
Im so sorry that i always point to outside sources. But most of the time they can say it better than i can. so thats why i do it.
See more about it here
Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection?
Im so sorry that i always point to outside sources. But most of the time they can say it better than i can. so thats why i do it.
It's ok..I'm having a ball!! Just as long as we can walk away brother and sister or sister and brother I will be happy. What bothers me here are assumptions. the article states that assumption with the meaning of "led captivity captive". What is it that holds all men captive? Is it not death? Since Jesus went to the cross to give us victory over death it certainly makes the case that Jesus proclaimed that victory in the Hadean realm. Jesus is the firstborn, resurrected, according to scripture we can not find anyone who has been resurrected to eternal life not even Lazarus. At Pentecost, Peter preaching to the crowd basically asked where David was..he said he was buried and he is still there. If David were in heaven, would not Peter led by God's Holy Spirit say so?
oh yes we can still come away as brother and sister in Christ! This isnt a Salvation issue. You or I will not "go to hell" because we dont agree with each other.
Psa 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
When looked at in context we can see that is what it is saying.
As for Peter asking about David. Yes David's mortal rotten body is buried somewhere in Israel. but his spirit, his soul is in Heaven with Christ. When Christ died on the cross, the tombs were opened and the souls of the dead saints were raised, and when he was resurrected they went with him to heaven.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mat 27:47 And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, "This man is calling Elijah."
Mat 27:48 And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink.
Mat 27:49 But the others said, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him."
Mat 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
Mat 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Mat 27:54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
What a sight that must have been! WOW to see them walking around would have scared the mess out of me!
Psa 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
When looked at in context we can see that is what it is saying.
As for Peter asking about David. Yes David's mortal rotten body is buried somewhere in Israel. but his spirit, his soul is in Heaven with Christ. When Christ died on the cross, the tombs were opened and the souls of the dead saints were raised, and when he was resurrected they went with him to heaven.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mat 27:47 And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, "This man is calling Elijah."
Mat 27:48 And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink.
Mat 27:49 But the others said, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him."
Mat 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
Mat 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Mat 27:54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
What a sight that must have been! WOW to see them walking around would have scared the mess out of me!
Here is one of the great signs which accompanied the crucifixion. All of these prove that Jesus was divine. The Bible records them to show the significance of what occurred. After Jesus' resurrection, those who were raised appeared to many. There would be, therefore, no doubt that something spectacular had happened.
The account of this resurrection is unique to Matthew. Notice that "holy city" is not capitalized or any special addendum. It also says they "appeared to many" Appeared to whom? Those who lived in the holy city (Jerusalem). At this time there was no holy city other than Jerusalem, hence Jesus said I'm going to prepare a place for you. While many questions are raised by these verses, (How long did they live? Did they testify of Jesus?), this is all that is recorded. And just think, one way or another we "will" see this and be part of it. Thank God I won't be able to drop dead of a heart attack because I surely would.
Back to the original question. I don't know. I would hope so, but I have no idea which side they went. You know, sometimes when you have trials and tribulations, they can cause you to be harsh, bitter, and cold. They didn't live under Grace. I don't know if they had repentant hearts or not. That will be a question that will be answered when we get there.
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