Are juices made from ral tobacco plants, safe?
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This is a blanket statement that covers more than just tobacco flavored juices: No, it isn't safe. Any e-juice made from extracts, oils, or natural juices have hundreds/thousands of complex organic molecules that are not safe to inhale in any way, shape, or form. We can only eat them because our stomachs are so robust. You put that stuff in your lungs and your crazy. The safest e-juices will have a single synthetic molecule for flavor. Still not great, but better than the nasty soup from an extract.
Having said that, nobody really knows what is in most of our e-juices. Even the mixers have no idea. The flavoring bottles usually don't go into that much detail.They were never meant to inhale but instead be added to food for taste. I'm as guilty as anyone else here in putting insane crap into my lungs. Still, better than burnt tobacco I think.
Having said that, nobody really knows what is in most of our e-juices. Even the mixers have no idea. The flavoring bottles usually don't go into that much detail.They were never meant to inhale but instead be added to food for taste. I'm as guilty as anyone else here in putting insane crap into my lungs. Still, better than burnt tobacco I think.
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I really don't like any argument that states "it's got to be better than smoking, right?"
That's not a good argument in any way, because we simply do not know whether it is or it isn't.
We have studies that show that inhaling aerosol PG is very likely safe. But the other ingredients? We just don't know. There is the potential that it's far more dangerous than smoking, although I consider that unlikely, due to the (admittedly smallish number of) studies that have been done on the chemical makeup of vapor.
I initially though "all organic, using tobacco leaves" would be a great way to flavor a nic juice. But I have my concerns, because tobacco by itself is carcinogenic, and I've personally changed my mind on using those juices.
We're just not deep enough, time-wise, into vaping as a NRT to know all the facts.
That's not a good argument in any way, because we simply do not know whether it is or it isn't.
We have studies that show that inhaling aerosol PG is very likely safe. But the other ingredients? We just don't know. There is the potential that it's far more dangerous than smoking, although I consider that unlikely, due to the (admittedly smallish number of) studies that have been done on the chemical makeup of vapor.
I initially though "all organic, using tobacco leaves" would be a great way to flavor a nic juice. But I have my concerns, because tobacco by itself is carcinogenic, and I've personally changed my mind on using those juices.
We're just not deep enough, time-wise, into vaping as a NRT to know all the facts.
"It's got to be better thean smoking, right?" Is actually a great blanket statement.
If you, or anyone else care about your health, stop smoking and stop vaping. For the rest of us, we pick the lesser of 2 evils. I can breathe again, I can taste food, I'm not poisoning the .... out of my kids anymore: and I'm happy. I had no concern about my health while smoking before, I sure as hell am not gonna get on a soapbox now.
If you, or anyone else care about your health, stop smoking and stop vaping. For the rest of us, we pick the lesser of 2 evils. I can breathe again, I can taste food, I'm not poisoning the .... out of my kids anymore: and I'm happy. I had no concern about my health while smoking before, I sure as hell am not gonna get on a soapbox now.
The "really bad" stuff that most of us associate with smoking are the TSNAs, the Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines.
The limited real tests that have been done have shown TSNAs in vapor to be of the levels found in the patch and nicotine gum, orders of magnitude below those from smoking or chewing tobacco. (Swedish Snus has lower TSNA content than classic American chewing tobacco, because of the processing done.)
TSNAs - Definition of TSNAs - Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines
Google "Electronic Cigarettes as a Harm Reduction Strategy" to come up with a recently published paper that includes a table of TSNA content for various things.
The limited real tests that have been done have shown TSNAs in vapor to be of the levels found in the patch and nicotine gum, orders of magnitude below those from smoking or chewing tobacco. (Swedish Snus has lower TSNA content than classic American chewing tobacco, because of the processing done.)
TSNAs - Definition of TSNAs - Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines
Google "Electronic Cigarettes as a Harm Reduction Strategy" to come up with a recently published paper that includes a table of TSNA content for various things.
Its an unknown, but asking means you care about your health which is the best thing possible after smoking.For the most important patient who quit smoking and now vapes(me).The clues to a healther nic are fingernails without black spots,an esphougus that is cured(barretts), smelling others and myself for the first time in decades.Going farther in the gym.Vaping has drawback for sure though its hard to find one if you still like nic as opposed to smoking.Welcome and good luck, its a pain in the bun to not know what your doing to your body now that there is not any reliable info long term.
Agreed; the best strategy is to do neither. But that's as easy as saying "quit smoking -- you know it's killing you".
Your assumption that it's the lesser of two evils because it doesn't stink is what I'm referring to. We simply do not know that it's the lesser of two evils. 20 years from now, people could be talking about what a shame it is that all those people ruined their lungs, and the lungs of people around them, by vaping. It's too new to have any long-term affects studied in any meaningful, conclusive way. How long did people consider cigarettes 'safe'? Doctors used to smoke in the delivery room.
I did a ton of research on vaping before I was willing to try it, and I read a lot of what you're referring to. Nice studies, but not a conclusive endorsement on the safety of vaping. I remain skeptical.
I'm not against vaping. I do it daily, and it's gotten me to very much reduce my smoking, from two PAD to 1 or 2 cigarettes a day. I just don't like the "it's got to be better than smoking" argument, because we don't yet know that in any peer-reviewed, scientific way. My goal is to quit both.
My goodness, this is the most coherent statement I've seen. This is the reply I will give when some donkey gives me the "why don't you just quit" BS. The truth is, I never wanted to quit smoking but it was effecting my ability to keep my job (fitness test) and now is so friken expensive
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