..., are these batteries for real?

[AttyPops]

Lot's of mentions on the web about LG cell phone batteries. Lot's of mentions on the web about that Michigan plant - making new technology specialty batteries that will be actually flexible and can even get wet without consequences. No mentions at all about that plant - or any other LG plant - making stock 18650 batteries for resale. Anyone can shrink wrap a battery to say anything. So...

Oh, and C rating - totally unknown.

LG Chem factory 'temporarily' halts production of lithium-ion batteries | MLive.com
LG Chem's Holland Michigan Plant To Begin Li-Ion Production - HybridCars.com
LG Chem finally begins production of lithium-ion batteries in Holland | Michigan Radio

Here's the 1st three that I could find. Also, Buzzlove posted specs but IDK if they are the same.
Anywho, it's nice to see more li-ion in production...if they ever get going!
No warranties express or implied by me. Could be great. Maybe not. But we'll see, like I said.
IDK if they make 18650's for sure...but many battery packs for phones and laptops (and cars) actually use them. One kind or another.

 

[Keeno]

i already have 6 of those panasonic pfs with the 10amp limit.

I have a 4 aw's on the way from rtd and have a few batteries from that ebay sellers on the way as well. The specs on this lg battery just looks so damn nice.

So, it's not that I need this battery. It's more of a "I WANT THIS" type of thing. Some people have an obsession for tanks. Some have obsessions for drip tips. Some have em for mods. I have this obsession for batteries...

idk why. I know little to nothing about batteries other than what the initial advertisement says. I just always thought having stacks of batteries neatly displayed on your desk looked cool.

I should have been more clear in my original post....you came across to me more of a battery novice so the best batteries I know of I suggested you search for. Since you own several of the Panasonics and a few others go ahead and give these a try and let us know what you think of them.....I'm curious as well about them now that you've brought it up though I still won't order them on Ebay.

 

[Rader2146]

I've submitted an RFI to LG Chem. If they confirm the specs then I'm ordering a few of these. I've ordered from SuPower a few times before and have been very satisfied. I have ZERO reason to suspect fakes or misrepresentation from them.

 

[TFL!]

I have gotten batteries of this store on eBay vaporizeforless. They sale AW, MNKE, SONY, and Efest.

Beware of fake AW batteries

If you click on the Links you can see what the fakes look like.

Are you saying that vaporizefor less sells fake or real batterys?

 

[DaveP]

A 2000mah battery would have a 2 amp per hour discharge design rate. At that rate, it would last one hour at 2A discharge rates.

You really want to find out the C rating for that battery. The 30A number listed is the maximum continuous discharge rate according to the link info. So, the C rating on a 2 amp battery would be 15C.

The C rating tells you the maximum continuous discharge rate that the battery can handle without overheating and catastrophic failure. If the C rating is 15C it can handle 30 amps maximum discharge rate (15 * 2A), which would indicate a very heavy load. You atomizer won't come near that, but the C rating tells you comparatively how robust the battery actually is.

Current = voltage/resistance or I=E/R

So, typical discharge rates in vaping would be:
3.7v / 2 ohm would be 1.85A
3.7v / 1 ohm would be 3.7 amps.
3.7 / .3 ohms would be 12.33 amps. (not recommended)

Someone check my numbers for accuracy. I'm human after all.

 

[Baditude]

Current = voltage/resistance or I=E/R

So, typical discharge rates in vaping would be:
3.7v / 2 ohm would be 1.85A
3.7v / 1 ohm would be 3.7 amps.
3.7 / .3 ohms would be 12.33 amps. (not recommended)

Someone check my numbers for accuracy. I'm human after all.

I use 4.2 volts with the Ohm's Law Calculator, as that is what a fully charged battery's voltage will be.

4.2v / 2 ohm would be 2.1A
4.2v / 1 ohm would be 4.2 amps
4.2v / .3 ohm would be 14 amps

 

[tj99959]

In todays world WHERE you buy batteries is as important as WHAT battery you choose to buy. ONLY buy batteries from trusted sources. Counterfeit batteries are a huge money maker these days (at our expense)

 

[Thrasher]

If that battery is real that is a really nice discharge curve. but seing how only one place on the web seems to have them i would be cautious for now. the link buzz provided is the same vendor on ebay.

with that said LG is very popular in other countries and is just now entering American markets, so proceed with caution as the claim of 30amp and 2500mah seems a little hard to believe (to me) and until i see it on CPF or elsewhere being reviewed i would avoid it for now.

 

[Rader2146]

until i see it on CPF or elsewhere being reviewed i would avoid it for now.

No sense of adventure?



I didn't get a reply from LG Chem, but that wont stop me from ordering a pair and doing my own tests. Probably wont be until after the holidays though.

 

[DaveP]

Having seen the results of massive sudden discharge in some batteries, I tend to stick with AW batteries. I know from reading the Candlepower Forums threads that AW is in the business of buying batteries from Panasonic and Sanyo, testing them to weed out the highest and lowest performers, and selling the good stuff under the AW label. He wholesales the rest to other dealers. His batteries are considered to be the cream of the crop by the high tech flashlight fans. Those guys push them to the limits.

So, I know that when I buy genuine AW batteries, I'm getting fully tested stock. In 3 1/2 years of vaping I've never had a battery fail catastrophically. But then, I don't usually go below 2 ohms ... 1.8 occasionally but no lower.

I'm not knocking any other brand. The price is fair on AW and I feel confident using them.

 

[Baditude]

I tend to stick with AW batteries. I know from reading the Candlepower Forums threads that AW is in the business of buying batteries from Panasonic and Sanyo, testing them to weed out the highest and lowest performers, and selling the good stuff under the AW label. He wholesales the rest to other dealers. His batteries are considered to be the cream of the crop by the high tech flashlight fans. Those guys push them to the limits.

So, I know that when I buy genuine AW batteries, I'm getting fully tested stock.

I use mostly AW IMR batteries myself. Because of the testing process they go through before they are allowed to carry the AW brand, they are the most consistant battery in quality, battery-to-battery, you likely can purchase IMHO.

However, I wonder if this applies only to the protected ICR models of the AW lineup. If AW chooses his batteries from the Japanese battery manufacturers, where are the IMR batteries coming from? Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung do not make IMR batteries in 19490 and 18350 size; or at least they do not sell that size under their own name brand. The AW protected ICR batteries say "Assembled in China, cell and IC made in Japan". The AW IMR batteries say only "Made in China". Going only on the above facts leads me to believe the IMR AW batteries are manufactured by a Chinese manufacturer, and not one of the Japanese manufacturers like Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, et al.

That's not to say that China can not produce a high quality battery. Time has shown AW IMR batteries to be top of the class. I just wanted to point out that the notion that all of AW batteries come from Panasonic is likely not true.

 

[DaveP]

I use mostly AW IMR batteries myself. Because of the testing process they go through before they are allowed to carry the AW brand, they are the most consistant battery in quality, battery-to-battery, you likely can purchase IMHO.

However, I wonder if this applies only to the protected ICR models of the AW lineup. If AW chooses his batteries from the Japanese battery manufacturers, where are the IMR batteries coming from? Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung do not make IMR batteries in 19490 and 18350 size; or at least they do not sell that size under their own name brand. The AW protected ICR batteries say "Assembled in China, cell and IC made in Japan". The AW IMR batteries say only "Made in China". Going only on the above facts leads me to believe the IMR AW batteries are manufactured by a Chinese manufacturer, and not one of the Japanese manufacturers like Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, et al.

That's not to say that China can not produce a high quality battery. Time has shown AW IMR batteries to be top of the class. I just wanted to point out that the notion that all of AW batteries come from Panasonic is likely not true.

I guess it depends on the thread you read in the candlepower forums. Some are pretty old.

Here's a seller who features AW Batteries. He says that the cells are made by Panasonic in Japan and the battery is assembled in China from Japanese cells. There's always the possibility that he's hyping his product, but it matches what I read on the candlepower threads. He does picture a standard Li-ion cell, not a lithium manganese battery.

AW 18650

Here is what separates AW cells from the imitators:

Reliability: Less chance the cell stops working for no apparent reason (it happens)
Consistency: Every battery has similar performance (as opposed to variable)
Safety: Mechanical and electronic safety features (a "protected" cell)
Lifetime: Longer total life span because of the characteristics above

AW batteries are, without question, the best lithium flashlight batteries in the world. They are assembled in China, but the actual cells are top tier cells from Panasonic in Japan. AW batteries are specifically intended for high performance applications. You can buy Panasonic cells from online retailers for 1/2 the price, but you are getting second tier cells...basically batteries rejected by other companies.

 

[Traver]

I guess it depends on the thread you read in the candlepower forums. Some are pretty old.

Here's a seller who features AW Batteries. He says that the cells are made by Panasonic in Japan and the battery is assembled in China from Japanese cells. There's always the possibility that he's hyping his product, but it matches what I read on the candlepower threads. He does picture a standard Li-ion cell, not a lithium manganese battery.

AW 18650

We don't know where AW cells come from because he wont say. They could have been Panasonic yesterday and from somewhere else today or vice versa. What you buying is reputation.

 

[DaveP]

We don't know where AW cells come from because he wont say. They could have been Panasonic yesterday and from somewhere else today or vice versa. What you buying is reputation.

I'm still charging the same 4 18650 AW batts that I've had for a year and a half. I use two a day and keep four charged. I view it as proof of quality. I can't tell any difference in vape time after all that use and charging.

Honestly, I haven't used a lot of other brands, but I'm loyal to what works well for me.

 

[Traver]

I'm still charging the same 4 8650 batts that I've had for a year and a half. I use two a day and keep four charged. I view it as proof of quality. I can't tell any difference in vape time after all that use and charging.

Honestly, I haven't used a lot of other brands, but I'm loyal to what works well for me.

I agree AW is one of the best brands we have. I used a pair of the 1600's for almost two years before I couldn't get a full day vaping from them. I would recommend AW without hesitation despite the fact that I am now using Orbtronic panny's. In another two years I will let you know which ones I think were better.

 

[Steam Turbine]

one of the Japanese manufacturers like Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, et al.

I don't wanna be a smartass but will anyways... Samsung is South-Korean

 

[DaveP]

Yep, I remember the hassle Samsung had with China wanting the business of assembling the Galaxy Nexus. S. Korea and China were squabbling over the business and China ended up with most of the production.

 

[Strontium]

None of AW IMR batteries are coming from big brand names. That is one reason AW will never tell us his source. All IMR AW batteries are made in China by unknown (to us) Chinese manufacturer.
Story about testing and sorting the best is kind of true. He is sorting IMR batteries only because Chinese quality control is terrible, the rest goes to eFest. AW openly listed (CPF) EFEST as one of the companies that sell AW fake batteries.
Reason?
Efest is using (probably) the same manufacturer (or nearby company), but cannot afford to test batteries, and charge customers much more for that extra testing. Investigation completed