Are these good Tactile Switch ?

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DocBurN

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Just found those at 5 minutes walking from my home..
I have doubt, 5$ for a 100 Pack... thats dirt cheap!
What is wrong with them ?? :D
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I think that was Cisco who recommanded this tact switch in this thread.

What does the expert got to say about the one in the picture.. ok to work with ? I guess the button is way shorter than the one recommanded by cisco ..
 

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Just found those at 5 minutes walking from my home..
I have doubt, 5$ for a 100 Pack... thats dirt cheap!
What is wrong with them ?? :D


I think that was Cisco who recommanded this tact switch in this thread.

What does the expert got to say about the one in the picture.. ok to work with ? I guess the button is way shorter than the one recommanded by cisco ..

Those are the same you will find everywhere, same rating because of the size, and yes, same as the ones Cisco talked about.
It has been argued many times that they are not able to last long enough and some even use theory to demonize them as dangerous fire causing devices.

My personal opinion is that they work fine, sometimes they will fail after a few days, but I never blame it on the switch itself but the hard part about using them which is attaching it to your mod.
Being so small (6 x 6 mm), usually I super glue them but it is very easy that some of it will sip into the casing and render it useless.
Other times I use a glue gun and it has worked, but not always hard enough to stand the continuous pushing.

On another note, just yesterday I got 2 pedometers at a dollar store just to see what the reset switch looked in such a cheap device.
I took one appart and and it is some kind of pressure switch or I don't know how to call it, but it is just a tiny circuit board and a rubber button presses on it.


I will post some pics here so you and others can see it, if this works, it will be a great solution since the are also dirt cheap, easy to attach and the couldn't be any thinner.

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Being so small (6 x 6 mm), usually I super glue them but it is very easy that some of it will sip into the casing and render it useless.
Other times I use a glue gun and it has worked, but not always hard enough to stand the continuous pushing.
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Thank you for the lightning fast reply Warp.. And what worries me the most is that the button will not be long enough to be pushable on the other side of the wall where I fix it. I'll go check it at the store, and I may end up buying it anyway for later uses.

About the pedometer, please do post your pic when you have the chance, im very curious, and you remind me to go check the crap-1-dolla-store for cheap harvestable devices :) :thumbs:
 

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I forgot to take a pic before opening it up, but it really doesn't matter much.

The round circuit area is market reset on the little circuit board, what I don;t know is if i need to keep part of that board in order to allow the switch to work.
The other thing that I don't understand is how the rubber button shorts both contacts to let the current flow.
Is this some kind of contact switch???

I hope someone that knows electronics can shed light on this for us.

Meanwhile I will try to figure it out with my multimeter.




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To put it simply a 50mA rated switch will fail fairly quickly when used to conduct 1000mA.
The tactile switches used in ecig batteries have a MOSFET in the circuit which handles the current.


You're improving. This post didn't include predictions of Armageddon.

:)

Btw..the post on that switch looks much too short. It will be buried by even the thinnest material of whatever case you are using.
 

DocBurN

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You're improving. This post didn't include predictions of Armageddon.

:)

Btw..the post on that switch looks much too short. It will be buried by even the thinnest material of whatever case you are using.

haha, i kinda guess we were going down the Armageddon path.. and I decided to not buy em when I saw em.. unless i want to mod with aluminium foil wall.

Interesting pic Warp.. I gotta get my hand on one of those for testing..
 

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That Pedo "switch" is actually a PCB Contact Pad or PCB Button Pad. The rubber button actually does have an intergrated conductive surface layer on the bottom.... I ordered a sample not to long ago from SparkFun Electronics - Mini Button Pad PCB

Obviously the PCB will act as a reliable power transfer but curious to see how well the conductive pads hold up..... but I figure it would be easy to replace a button pad every now and then rather than an entire switch!


EDIT: also see:http://www.snaptron.com/pcbpmainxxzxqma287.cfm
 
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That Pedo "switch" is actually a PCB Contact Pad or PCB Button Pad. The rubber button actually does have an intergrated conductive surface layer on the bottom.... I ordered a sample not to long ago from SparkFun Electronics - Mini Button Pad PCB

Obviously the PCB will act as a reliable power transfer but curious to see how well the conductive pads hold up..... but I figure it would be easy to replace a button pad every now and then rather than an entire switch!


EDIT: also see:push button, push-button, metal dome array, membrane, tactile dome switch, dome array

Great Amp, so have you tried the switch on a mod yet?
I'm really curious to see what it can do for us.


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Can I still join the tactile switch slapfight? It's really simple, switches are rated for a maximum voltage, and then a maximum amperage at that voltage. Run at a lower voltage, and you can use higher amperage, because it's the *wattage* conducted by the switch that counts.

These tactile switches everyone is using are rated at 12v, 50mA (or 0.6W). At the normal voltages (3.0-4.2v), we're pushing roughly 3-5 watts, so we're exceeding the rated capacity of the switch by a factor of 5-8. What does that mean?

It means the switch is going to have a much shorter service life than the normal several tens of thousands of activations it's rated for. Each time you hit the switch, the contacts corrode a little at the points of first and last contact, as that corrosion builds up, the switch eventually becomes intermittently functional, then non-functional.

It's not going to start on fire because if you are getting any significant amount of resistance, the contacts degrade *very* quickly (milliseconds), because they're a very thin film with no thermal tolerance. They're not going to short out, because there's not enough metal there to support a short for more than microseconds. They're just going to quit working.

Now, if we were significantly exceeding their maximum voltage, with some monster atomizer running off house current, an audio amp, or something, then Bad Things could happen. But at 3-8V, there just isn't enough electrical potential there to do anything but degrade the contacts. How long will that take? Could be anywhere from dozens to thousands of activations, since you're outside the rating profile there's no way to say, two switches from the same batch could be totally different.

Oh, and if the switch is rated for AC rather than DC, divide by 6.66 to get the ballpark equivalent DC for wattage purposes (I can't explain why without throwing out a bunch of vector trigonometry I barely remember and only half understood when I learned it).

So a 120VAC, 0.5A momentary switch like I currently have at my soldering station is equivalent to an 18V 0.5A, or 9W, and could carry over 2A at 4.2V, which is the target if you want a long-lived switch for an e-cig. Or you can use mosfet based solutions, which are more complicated electronically but then your only concern of the switch itself is actual failure from too much mechanical movement. Membrane PCB switches, for example, probably won't hack it, but the tiny switches they use in mouse buttons are perfect.

That pedometer switch.... I don't know, mechanically it should be fine but I doubt it's going to handle the current for long.

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Just going to play devil's advocate here for a quick moment. First, I completely agree (but would never have been able to write it so technically!) with Dave Rickey.

However, while Ralph certainly doesn't need anyone to defend him, I think the other concern he was trying to raise was the switches ability to stop the current flow. In other words, a under-rated switch might not be able to stop a stong current flow from "jumping" the gates/contact bridge

Just food for thought. In the meantime, I have and will continue to use the small 6mm tactile switches because I love their size and their ease of push and the satisfying little "click" that I feel in them....plus, none of them have failed on me....except for the ones where I accidentally let some super glue get into them like Warp has mentioned.

.......now if only I could get my hands on some nice caps to put on top of them. :rolleyes:
 

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Just going to play devil's advocate here for a quick moment. First, I completely agree (but would never have been able to write it so technically!) with Dave Rickey.

However, while Ralph certainly doesn't need anyone to defend him, I think the other concern he was trying to raise was the switches ability to stop the current flow. In other words, a under-rated switch might not be able to stop a stong current flow from "jumping" the gates/contact bridge

Just food for thought. In the meantime, I have and will continue to use the small 6mm tactile switches because I love their size and their ease of push and the satisfying little "click" that I feel in them....plus, none of them have failed on me....except for the ones where I accidentally let some super glue get into them like Warp has mentioned.

.......now if only I could get my hands on some nice caps to put on top of them. :rolleyes:


A bit off topic but I got tired of scanning endless lists looking for nice caps but I did come across these. There are quite small but have a nice easy push. I grabbed a handful of them for testing and so far I'm loving them.

E-Switch - Product Catalog
 

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Hi Dave,
Wattage calculations for switches are meaningless. The current rating alters little whatever voltage is used. Switches have very low resistance so only drop a very low voltage when on. The things which are rated in watts have a significant resistance and so dissipate power as heat.
If you open up an ecig battery or pass through you'll see that the 50mA switches have a mosfet attached.
 

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If you open up an ecig battery or pass through you'll see that the 50mA switches have a mosfet attached.


Exactly! The switch turns on the mosfet supplying power to the atomizer.
The full load to the atomizer isnt flowing through pressure switch or the manual switch. So, replacing the pressure switch with the cheap 50mA tactile switch is no worry. The gate of a MOSFET is very high impedance, meaning no current flows into the gate (through the switch). The switch only allows a difference in potential between gate and source, thus allowing the high current from drain to source and power the atomizer.

-Jacob
 

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Hi Dave,
Wattage calculations for switches are meaningless. The current rating alters little whatever voltage is used. Switches have very low resistance so only drop a very low voltage when on. The things which are rated in watts have a significant resistance and so dissipate power as heat.
If you open up an ecig battery or pass through you'll see that the 50mA switches have a mosfet attached.

Exactly! The switch turns on the mosfet supplying power to the atomizer.
The full load to the atomizer isnt flowing through pressure switch or the manual switch. So, replacing the pressure switch with the cheap 50mA tactile switch is no worry. The gate of a MOSFET is very high impedance, meaning no current flows into the gate (through the switch). The switch only allows a difference in potential between gate and source, thus allowing the high current from drain to source and power the atomizer.

-Jacob

Now Ralph and Jacob will post pictures and step by step details on how to add a tiny mosfet to a switch, where to get them for a few cents and how to make them fit in your mod.

Aren't they great? :D



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