are we inviting trouble for ourselves?

[resist]

It looks to me that we are inviting trouble when we label juice and carts with trademarked names. I also think the FDA might would back off a little if the electronic cig industry would stop making health claims. Cheerios has been around for years, but as soon as they claimed it would lower cholesterol the FDA wanted it labeled a drug. I just started vaping, and I do not want it taken away. Just advertise it as an alternative and leave it at that.

 

[tarkus]

We are not going to change what vendors do especially those that are only concerned at charging as much as they can get away with.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

We are not going to change what vendors do especially those that are only concerned at charging as much as they can get away with.

We can change what vendors do. We can deny them our $$.

 

[Kurt]

We are not going to change what vendors do especially those that are only concerned at charging as much as they can get away with.

Not true, at least for vendors listed here on the ECF home page. Those vendors live and die by our words here, and will change things if we are unhappy, if it is possible. And they are generally very careful about health claims in their wording.


The worst case was Smoking Everywhere, which the FDA said was making health claims for smoking-cessation, making it a drug system according to the FDA. A federal judge just ruled against the FDA in this case, ruling that ecigs are a modified-risk recreational tobacco product, and not a drug system. So I wouldn't worry too much that for a while anyway...the concern now is eventual taxation and nic-level regulation, but not banning PV outright. That seems to be off the table for now.

Brand names, especially of major cig brands, have juices named similarly to the cig brand name, but not exactly. Mbro for Marlburro, for instance. Or Madbull for Red Bull flavor.

 

[Madame Psychosis]

Much as Kurt said -- As I understand it, any supplier approved by ECF cannot make health claims. Many vendors are quite careful to avoid presenting it as anything but an "alternative."

Tobacco companies have been known to send warnings to eliquid sellers who use the correctly-spelled names of brands. You get used to the misspellings and abbreviations used to circumvent that.

All in all, it's a very new industry, so it's a ripe field for bogus claims, scams, and poor business ethics, and there are no regulations as of yet. You have to choose who to support based on reputation and trust.

 

[5cardstud]

I saw a vtdeo from the UK I think that said we needed to quit calling them e-cigarettes and call them something else to get away from the cigarette taboo thing.

 

[Tarheel Rambler]

In talking to friends who have shown interest in my new "habit" I've taken to calling it a personal nicotine inhaler, because e-cig caused too much confusion. I don't want to see the government involved in this any more than necessary, so I agree with denying my money from those suppliers who make unsubstantiated claims. They are a replacement, but I have reservations about claims of being healthier. That remains to be seen.

 

[Kurt]

I prefer Personal Vaporizer (PV), which seems to be the more favored term here. I also want to separate my vaping from real cigarettes, and honestly a PV for me is not really like a cigarette, but more like a small hookah. No cigarette is this smooth and good tasting.

 

[mystal]

You may all think I'm crazy on this one, but the use of the word 'juice' troubles me as far as what naysayers can do with it. We call it juice.. are they going to claim that makes it all the more attractive to youngsters...

 

[RIMP]

Nicotine nebulizer here
RIMP

 

[OMB]

For me....personally...I think Personal Vaporizer and Nebulizer makes these sound too much like medical devices. Personal Nicotine Inhaler just sounds better to me. Either way, I agree that we need to get away from calling them E-Cigs.

 

[terrie1]

nicotine inhaler here

 

[spaky]

I don't see how calling it anything with inhaler in it sounds less like a medical device. I mean are there any inhalers that aren't medical devices? I think that people obsess over what we call these things too much. It's not the name that the antis have a problem with, it's the vapor clouds that we blow out. Even if they were called Geriatric Sticks people would still say they're marketed at children and that they should be banned.

 

[mystal]

I think that people obsess over what we call these things too much. It's not the name that the antis have a problem with, it's the vapor clouds that we blow out. Even if they were called Geriatric Sticks people would still say they're marketed at children and that they should be banned.

I don't think of it as obsessing but I do think its legitimate concern, not because I think the words juice or e cig are inherently bad, but because in the 'politically correct' world we live in, no matter how silly we think it is - semantics do matter. I agree there will always be those who are against it no matter What they are called, but I also think its wise never to give ammunition to the 'enemy'.

 

[Harlequin]

I refer to "niquid" rather than "juice", and I call PV units "vapes". "As in, I'm gonna have a vape".

 

[spaky]

One problem with no longer calling them ecigs is that there will be lots of people that these could really help that would never learn about them. I don't know how everyone here first heard about these, but I saw an ad for an electronic cigarette. Had it been called a lot of other names I would never have looked into them.

 

[mystal]

That's a valid point, spaky - its a bit of a balancing act.

 

[mr quackums]

i call mine a fake cigarette. it gets the point across that its not a cig, but it also lets those in who want to smoke but not use cigs.