Are we too excited?

[surbitonPete]

Being able to give up tobacco smoking and vape has been like a miracle to me and I think it's the same for everyone here ......but are we all getting to excited about something that is probably going to be banned very soon? I feel very depressed because no matter how I look at it I can't see our governments allowing this and I know I will have to go back to being a rotten stinky, coughing, out of breath tobacco smoker again. Am I just being too pessimistic? Are we really likely to be able to carry on vaping?

 

[Effex]

Why do you think this will be banned?

 

[surbitonPete]

Why do you think this will be banned?

One of the main reasons I can see is that they will ban it simply to prevent new generations becoming addicted to vapouring, but there are many other reasons as well.

 

[UkUsa]

Why do you think this will be banned?

I'm not so sure the hardware will be banned. More likely the liquid is what will be banned. An unregulated, untested (by western health authorities) liqud containing a known addictve substance made in China.

Also here in the USA you have big tobacco companies (who i just read are raising their prices) and big pharmacutical companies both who have lobbyists in the government. Also they are NOT making any money out of this new technology. If anything ecigs will eventually hit both businesses profits. Tobacco because less people will buy tobacco. Drug companies will lose out on sales of nicorette etc.

Also i'm sure the anitsmoking groups will chime in soon as well. We know it's not smoking but it looks a lot like it and that in itself will scare people.

I'm hoping it doesn't happen for a while so i can perfect my 0 nic mixes.

EDIT - good point pete, hadn't thought about the aspect of new people being drawn to nicotine.

 

[surbitonPete]

I'm not so sure the hardware will be banned. More likely the liquid is what will be banned. An unregulated, untested (by western health authorities) liqud containing a known addictve substance made in China.

Also here in the USA you have big tobacco companies (who i just read are raising their prices) and big pharmacutical companies both who have lobbyists in the government. Also they are NOT making any money out of this new technology. If anything ecigs will eventually hit both businesses profits. Tobacco because less people will buy tobacco. Drug companies will lose out on sales of nicorette etc.

Also i'm sure the anitsmoking groups will chime in soon as well. We know it's not smoking but it looks a lot like it and that in itself will scare people.

I'm hoping it doesn't happen for a while so i can perfect my 0 nic mixes.

and the trouble with that is we will still have to become secret, in private vapourers.

 

[dohsma]

I'm not so sure the hardware will be banned. More likely the liquid is what will be banned. An unregulated, untested (by western health authorities) liqud containing a known addictve substance made in China.

Also here in the USA you have big tobacco companies (who i just read are raising their prices) and big pharmacutical companies both who have lobbyists in the government. Also they are NOT making any money out of this new technology. If anything ecigs will eventually hit both businesses profits. Tobacco because less people will buy tobacco. Drug companies will lose out on sales of nicorette etc.

Also i'm sure the anitsmoking groups will chime in soon as well. We know it's not smoking but it looks a lot like it and that in itself will scare people.

I'm hoping it doesn't happen for a while so i can perfect my 0 nic mixes.

EDIT - good point pete, hadn't thought about the aspect of new people being drawn to nicotine.

I agree with you that the device will probably not be banned, and the liquid will be banned. I vape a lot of non nicotine juice (probably half and half). But if the liquid is banned I think the market and demand for the devices will drop like a rock. When demand goes down manufacturers will stop making the devices, as fewer new customers are buying the devices and some of us e-smokers go back to the dark side, and it will be harder and harder to find the hardware that we need to make the devices work. Some of the products may survive, but our choices will become much more limited. I wish I could see a way that the liquid would get some kind of government approval, but in its current form I think there is little chance of that. If the liquid ever does gain approval, it will be several months or years before it would be available. And the liquid that does get approved will be a gimped version of what is available now.

 

[sherid]

If it is banned, it will not be banned for its harmfulness. It will be banned because the anti smoking health fascists allow nothing that is pleasurable: look at the newest "no safe level of drinking alcohol" It will be banned because it LOOKS like smoking, and the fascists are out to ban the appearance of smoking even if it is harmless. If it is banned, it will be banned because it took the fascists by surprise. Just as they were poising for full control of the NRT market, along comes e cigarettes, designed by a tiny factory in China rather than the massive labs of Pfizer. Just as Pfizer had developed Cinnamon Surge Nicorette and teeth whitening Nicorette, here comes e cigs with a range of flavors and pleasure that puts Nicorette to shame and profits in the toilet. If it is banned, it will be because the anti smoking conglomeration is jumping up and down like a kid throwing a tantrum. Recall a month ago when those opposed to smoking bans organized a conference against smoking prohibition, and the anti smokers stealthily had the conference center cancel their reservations. The meeting proceeded in a new place and the AS's were furious that they had not been entirely successful. This is not just about electronic cigarettes or good old-fashioned tobacco cigarettes. This is about world control of our lifestyles....for our own good. Speak up against control NOW or you will find yourself their biatch in a prison of health fascism.

 

[sherid]

Big Tobacco is NOT going to allow e cigarettes to take over the liquid nicotine market. They will buy them out.

 

[dohsma]

Big Tobacco is NOT going to allow e cigarettes to take over the liquid nicotine market. They will buy them out.

Absolutely! But the liquid they produce will either be so low in nicotine that it is not viable, or they will somehow add more chemicals that make it more addictive/harmful.

Edit: I love your sig line by the way sherid!

 

[2kool2]

Yeah but they still are going to have to grow the tobacco to put in the eliquid right ?

 

[dohsma]

Yeah but they still are going to have to grow the tobacco to put in the eliquid right ?

That is a good question. Does anyone know how they get nicotine that goes into patches or gums? Is it extracted from tobacco or is it made synthetically in a lab?

 

[eskimoroll]

While I doubt it would be banned universally here in the states (most likely regulated), it it does come to that, I'm not concerned. I would just keep making mods to smoke with and use homemade e-liquid. I'm not a heavy nicotine user so 0mg would be fine as long as I can consistently make something with a decent throat hit. Atomizers would be the only thing I can't make at home but I'm sure someone would find a solution.

I have the utmost faith in our ingenuity as addicts if e-cigs really became banned.

 

[surbitonPete]

While I doubt it would be banned universally here in the states (most likely regulated), it it does come to that, I'm not concerned. I would just keep making mods to smoke with and use homemade e-liquid. I'm not a heavy nicotine user so 0mg would be fine as long as I can consistently make something with a decent throat hit. Atomizers would be the only thing I can't make at home but I'm sure someone would find a solution.

I have the utmost faith in our ingenuity as addicts if e-cigs really became banned.

The trouble is that I want my freedom to vape wherever and whenever I want to vape.....at work, in the pub, in the club..anywhere I want.....I don't want to have to hide it and that's what we are all most likely going to end up having to do.

 

[Effex]

Big Tobacco doesn't have the right to buy over privately owned companies, right? And aren't companies like JC for example, privately owned?

I could kinda see why the government would want to restrict, reduce or even ban these things, but if they were smart, they would take part in it, instead of regulating it. Because once these things hit the mainstream market, I have no doubt that there will be a e-cig revolution as far as consumers go.

And if there isn't, I am fairly certain that a market will remain for these products if the demand is strong enough. I mean hell, look at ......., there's a pretty large market for that

 

[Momof3]

I think the minimum we can hope for is child resistant packaging and warning labels on the e-liquid. If there wasn't such a revenue loss for the government, tobacco companies, etc. I think the government would deem it sufficient and let it go. After all our homes are filled with potentially lethal substances that are freely available with such labeling.

Unfortunately with so much money involved I think the best we can hope for is by proscription only for at least the next 10yrs on the liquid.

For the devices themselves, at the flea market I've seen several shops with items that had big signs saying "For Tobacco Use Only" that must be used for drug use. If those things can be legally sold I don't see why the devices can't be. They could approve them and 0 nic liquid and tell people to get their nic from the patches or gum.

I just don't know. Weren't the Bratz dolls banned from sales. Supposed to be pulled from the shelves and not legal to sell after Feb 11. They no longer have the whole side of an aisle here as they once did as the stock is not currently being replenished, but the ones already out, I can still walk in to Wallyworld and pick one up. Didn't that drag out for years and is still somewhat ongoing?

 

[ed_bollix]

Stock-pile hardware, read the DIY stiuff on juice... If you can vape for a few months you will hopefully not go back to analogs. I would be surprised if I would go back even now. I do LOVE to vape and hopefully it will not be a global ban. wherever there is hardware money will get it to you

 

[surbitonPete]

Stock-pile hardware, read the DIY stiuff on juice... If you can vape for a few months you will hopefully not go back to analogs. I would be surprised if I would go back even now. I do LOVE to vape and hopefully it will not be a global ban. wherever there is hardware money will get it to you

That's the trouble none of us want to go back to smoking, we even feel as if we are non-smokers.....but just try getting up in the morning and not vaping 'or' smoking all day!

 

[ed_bollix]

you make a good point. I do hit the e-cig first thing but I don't think I would go back now. The other night i was out for the evening and everything I had with me failed. there was a loud band and the EVO's have a sound sensitive switch. All my batteries were constantly firing from the sound pressure (there is a thread somewhere) and after about 30 minutes I was dead in the water in a smoking bar, half in the bag. I was SLIGHTLY tempted but not enough to bum an analog. The smell of the analogs was actually quite overpowering to me. I had to leave my jacket out in the hall to air out when I arrived home. I know we are all different in this respect but I am optimistic that I am a non smoker now.

I do have some hardware and I'm in on the East Coast bulk order that will hopefully yield enough stuff to keep me vaping for the next few months.

 

[surbitonPete]

you make a good point. I do hit the e-cig first thing but I don't think I would go back now. The other night i was out for the evening and everything I had with me failed. there was a loud band and the EVO's have a sound sensitive switch. All my batteries were constantly firing from the sound pressure (there is a thread somewhere) and after about 30 minutes I was dead in the water in a smoking bar, half in the bag. I was SLIGHTLY tempted but not enough to bum an analog. The smell of the analogs was actually quite overpowering to me. I had to leave my jacket out in the hall to air out when I arrived home. I know we are all different in this respect but I am optimistic that I am a non smoker now.

I do have some hardware and I'm in on the East Coast bulk order that will hopefully yield enough stuff to keep me vaping for the next few months.

I expect there are quite a few people if they could no longer vape they wouldn't be able to go back to tobacco......but I know I am not one of them. I couldn't go all day without one or the other.

 

[cindiwa]

Being able to give up tobacco smoking and vape has been like a miracle to me and I think it's the same for everyone here ......but are we all getting to excited about something that is probably going to be banned very soon? I feel very depressed because no matter how I look at it I can't see our governments allowing this and I know I will have to go back to being a rotten stinky, coughing, out of breath tobacco smoker again. Am I just being too pessimistic? Are we really likely to be able to carry on vaping?

I feel like you, Pete, but figure I can stock up just in case which will hopefully take me through to cutting down to 0 nic and keeping a part of the habit without the addiction. I am helping to stimulate the economy at the same time! I don't see the government allowing us to keep importing these untested poison substances into the country but I sure as hell hope they do..hehe.

Last month laws were passed (I think like feb 10 or 11th) regarding testing all children's clothing and toys for lead and having some sort of proof of this testing. (it was a huge deal to all retailers of clothing and toys, in my understanding as there were not exemptions retroactively) I have read this meant all product made before these laws still had to be tested and was putting retailers into a panic with their current stock, not to mention items that were produced in China but not tested yet that had already been manufactured but not shipped or in processing. Some felt these laws were made to slow our love of China's less expensive merchandise. I just wonder if this law has made all things from China come under a microscope in customs. I was on a pet forum as well, and after the pet food scare it seemed people were intentionally avoiding all product from China to "punish" them. I wonder how much this affects the view of people working at customs, newscasts, etc when they see a shipment or item is from China.

If this item was made in an entirely different country would it be coming under so much scrutiny, you guys think? Ah well, just random thoughts, but it will be interesting and possibly heartbreaking to see the outcome.