Are You Kiddin Me?!!

[Stringer63]

Just need to cry on the shoulders of my fellow REOnauts over an unbelievable event yesterday in KY. Our Governor announced a new Executive Order banning the use of all tobacco products and electronic cigarettes on state-owned or leased properties. As a state employee, this hits me directly. According to this piece of work, I can no longer vape inside OR outside my building. Hell, I can't even walk out in the parking lot and have a vape. What can I do? I know, stealth vape right? The problem is that I am a hard core REOnaut and my device only knows how to generate massive clouds of killer vapor. How do you stealth vape a device like this beast?! What a waste to have to walk all the way off the property to have a harmless vape that will bother no one!

Obviously, our Governor has been sold a load of BS about e-cigs and is putting them into the same category as smoking or dipping in terms of health threat. What a shame and how ironic. He is actually going to make it harder for smokers and dippers to quit with the use of an e-cig. Seems a little counter productive to me.

Here are some links to this piece of....work. A word of caution - you will be upset when you read this, although it seems typical of what we're seeing across the board these days.

Kentucky.gov Activity Stream

http://migration.kentucky.gov/nr/rd...73/322085/TobaccoFreeExecutiveOrder942014.pdf

 

[thewomenfolk]

You will have to forego vaping while the Governor in Kentucky is freely snorting his coke and m... in the public restrooms. Along with many of the judges and lawyers in the city. I learned a great deal about the recreational habits of these people several years ago when I was more involved with the courts. You would not believe what is going on in every city in America with these white-collar upper-classers.

And I think it's a lot easier for them to pass these anti-vaping laws because they're still called "e-cigarettes". I don't personally know anyone who wants their vaping to ever be compared to smoking cigarettes.

The article says, "A primary goal of Governor Beshear’s kyhealthnow initiative is to reduce smoking rates by 10 percent by 2019."

He would have to be God to accomplish that. He's just a lightning rod that needs to feel the power!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I hate the term e-cig - maybe fine for cig look a likes or whatever but please America refer to these as something else. PVs is great. Gods Children is better.

This kind of garbage is coming from both red and blue states. There is no escape. My state is probably next.

Oh well - I won't stop, it wont be the first thing I partake in that they don't approve of.

 

[oldbroad]

Everything pertaining to " e-cigs" ( dislike that term also) will be just fine n dandy as soon as the crooks..err...politicians.... can get a handle on taxing the bejeesus on them. They're very well aware of all the moola they're losing out on....

 

[Rat2chat2]

I really do sympathize with you and I am lucky that I am not in that situation because I can tell ya right now I'd be stealth vaping under my desk with a can of Lysol to dissipate the cloud.

 

[Ian444]

If governments want to reduce smoking rates, they should encourage PV use, its that simple.

Lies like this show a lack of research, but I guess we're all used to this by now:

"Although e-cigarettes do not contain tobacco, many contain nicotine. Vapor produced from these devices can release nicotine, chemicals and other tobacco related contaminants, which can adversely impact bystanders. Several recent studies indicate that the use of e-cigarettes increases the likelihood that the user will smoke regular cigarettes, particularly if the user is a teenager."

I feel for you Stringer, my workplace banned cigarettes about 12 months ago, now I vape, and e-cigs are allowed simply because they aren't banned (yet), but I vape discreetly because I know they could change the rules overnight on a whim, or after an employee complaint.

Now to fix your problem. Reo's aren't good at discreet as we know. At work I have successfully vaped in restrooms, lunch rooms, in fact anywhere at all where a person can't see me actually vaping or the rising vapor. There is no smell, well at least not from my juices, as they are unflavored or very lightly flavored at most. It is surprising what you can get away with, it really is! I have had bosses walk into the lunch room where I make my coffee about 10 seconds after I've let out a small cloud and they never notice anything. Really, the perfume most of the office girls use is stronger than anything coming out of my Reo. I often think I would like to see a MSDS data sheet on those perfumes, you know, for my own safety Just pop a toot when there's no-one around. If you have to, up the nic and PG content so you need less tokes and make smaller clouds, but that would be my last resort. Before doing that I would probably go to the car park and fog up my car. Good luck, and so sorry to hear this, its just so unnecessary. Looks like you have 2 months to get creative and practice some ideas.

 

[pennysmalls]

My place of employment recently changed our no smoking policy to include e-cigs. I still vape in my car in the parking lot. I was a closet smoker and I've been a closet vaper, I've never bothered anyone, ever, with either cigs or vaping. I'm always courteous to others and expect the same treatment in return. If someone complains about me vaping in my car it'll be because they are nosy jerks who can't mind their own business and love causing drama or because they are a do gooder who thinks they know more than I do what's good for me. Neither one deserves my respect or compliance. I'll be putting my foot down. They can choose to keep me and my vaping in my car or they can let me go. I will not budge on this. This stuff just ticks me off.

 

[bander68]

Do the restrooms at work have air hand dryers? If so, blow a cloud directly at one while it's running. In order to generate all of that fast moving air, they have a huge powerful suction fan (the ones at my job are on the bottom) that will scoop that cloud right up and dissipate the vapor almost instantly. It doesn't solve your governor problem, but it's a good way to stealth vape without having to just hold it in.

 

[SITS]

It is troubling to hear such nonsense. The war of "Northern Aggression" continues to this day. Who coined the term ecig? I don't like that word either.

 

[Ian444]

Why I see scenarios like this as such a wasted opportunity to save lives is that smokers could be banned from the property but vapers allowed, even if at least outside the building, rather than out the gate and down the road, and that would be an incentive for smokers to take up vaping, which would directly save lives. I don't understand why people in responsible positions are not getting the facts to make intelligent decisions.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

These people can't see the forest for the trees.

It's a perception war, not based on science or our welfare. Keep vaping, stealth if you have to (familiar with the ghosting technique?).

 

[cracoucax]

That sucks.
I wouldn't comply personally, I keep the vapor in when needed so i don't exhale any visible vapor but i vape pretty much anywhere, even if it's not allowed.
.... nonsense.

 

[ChrisEU]

They banned ecigs - not mentholators or pocket inhalators to keep your throat moist...
Did you know REOs come in white as well? Someone could stick a green or blue cross sticker on...

Use PG liquid with a bit higher nicotine content and hold back on the big clouds and nobody will associate your REO with an ecig.
Have an "ecig" in your pocket as well, a blu or something. When asked, show them your ecig and tell them THIS is my ecig. THIS is my mentholator. Oh, and have menthol in your juice as well =)

Stupid restrictions are stupid.

 

[SITS]

My personal doctor told me if i were going to continue to intake nicotine that vaping was 1000 times better than the analogs and that is good enough for me. I've even cut that well over in half from when I started. I've dropped from 26mg down to 12mg and I am thinking about lowering it again.

Eta: I vape in my cube at work everyday. Noone has ever said a word about it. Management has seen the productivity increase that vaping causes. The vaping has saved almost 30min a day by not having to leave the building for my fix. I don't carry my Reo around in the office for vaping. I keep it to my cube or the bathroom.

 

[Stringer63]

I hate the term e-cig - maybe fine for cig look a likes or whatever but please America refer to these as something else. PVs is great. Gods Children is better.

Agree - I was mirroring the term they used. "PV" from now on I promise.

 

[Stringer63]

If governments want to reduce smoking rates, they should encourage PV use, its that simple.

Lies like this show a lack of research, but I guess we're all used to this by now:

"Although e-cigarettes do not contain tobacco, many contain nicotine. Vapor produced from these devices can release nicotine, chemicals and other tobacco related contaminants, which can adversely impact bystanders. Several recent studies indicate that the use of e-cigarettes increases the likelihood that the user will smoke regular cigarettes, particularly if the user is a teenager."

I feel for you Stringer, my workplace banned cigarettes about 12 months ago, now I vape, and e-cigs are allowed simply because they aren't banned (yet), but I vape discreetly because I know they could change the rules overnight on a whim, or after an employee complaint.

Now to fix your problem. Reo's aren't good at discreet as we know. At work I have successfully vaped in restrooms, lunch rooms, in fact anywhere at all where a person can't see me actually vaping or the rising vapor. There is no smell, well at least not from my juices, as they are unflavored or very lightly flavored at most. It is surprising what you can get away with, it really is! I have had bosses walk into the lunch room where I make my coffee about 10 seconds after I've let out a small cloud and they never notice anything. Really, the perfume most of the office girls use is stronger than anything coming out of my Reo. I often think I would like to see a MSDS data sheet on those perfumes, you know, for my own safety Just pop a toot when there's no-one around. If you have to, up the nic and PG content so you need less tokes and make smaller clouds, but that would be my last resort. Before doing that I would probably go to the car park and fog up my car. Good luck, and so sorry to hear this, its just so unnecessary. Looks like you have 2 months to get creative and practice some ideas.

Couldn't agree more Ian. They should be using it as a tool to aid smokers in quitting instead of throwing them into the same category with smokes. Just really uninformed people in control - what a shame. And yes, gonna have to work on the stealth approach for a while.

 

[Stringer63]

If someone complains about me vaping in my car it'll be because they are nosy jerks who can't mind their own business and love causing drama or because they are a do gooder who thinks they know more than I do what's good for me. Neither one deserves my respect or compliance. I'll be putting my foot down.

Unfortunately, we have a few of these types in the building and I've been thinking about the necessary response for them if they have the nads to approach me.

 

[Stringer63]

Do the restrooms at work have air hand dryers? If so, blow a cloud directly at one while it's running. In order to generate all of that fast moving air, they have a huge powerful suction fan (the ones at my job are on the bottom) that will scoop that cloud right up and dissipate the vapor almost instantly. It doesn't solve your governor problem, but it's a good way to stealth vape without having to just hold it in.

Don't have the air hand driers, but was trying to come up with something that might work at my desk - some kind of air filter or something.

 

[Stringer63]

Why I see scenarios like this as such a wasted opportunity to save lives is that smokers could be banned from the property but vapers allowed, even if at least outside the building, rather than out the gate and down the road, and that would be an incentive for smokers to take up vaping, which would directly save lives. I don't understand why people in responsible positions are not getting the facts to make intelligent decisions.

Amen brother - that's the exact position they should be taking. In fact I'm writing a letter to the Gov expressing that thought to a tee.

 

[Stringer63]

These people can't see the forest for the trees.

It's a perception war, not based on science or our welfare. Keep vaping, stealth if you have to (familiar with the ghosting technique?).

Ghosting technique? Please explain...