Arry, you made the transparent AFS without asking me . LIE

[imeothanasis]

Arry, you made the transparent AFS without asking me. But I let you make it at the end only because I wanted to help you make some money. Then without asking me you made the transparent AVS and now you said that you are ready to make a battery post for GG and a switch post for GG. If I didnt asked you then you would do it either? I really dont get it.

Our last pms were like this:



Imeo: Arry, did you make an AVS model? I am sure the man that informed me was wrong but I have to ask you


Arry: Not sure what you mean , but i dont make anything .


Imeo: someone told me that you make and sell not only transparent AFSV2 but AVS too. I am sure he didnt understand well but I ask you just to be sure arry


Arry: I dont MAKE any of them. The person who makes the e-cig stuff + afs transparent tubes is ............. and his email is ......................

 

[arry]

Arry, you made the transparent AFS without asking me. But I let you make it at the end only because I wanted to help you make some money. Then without asking me you made the transparent AVS and now you said that you are ready to make a battery post for GG and a switch post for GG. If I didnt asked you then you would do it either? I really dont get it.

Our last pms were like this:



Imeo: Arry, did you make an AVS model? I am sure the man that informed me was wrong but I have to ask you


Arry: Not sure what you mean , but i dont make anything .


Imeo: someone told me that you make and sell not only transparent AFSV2 but AVS too. I am sure he didnt understand well but I ask you just to be sure arry


Arry: I dont MAKE any of them. The person who makes the e-cig stuff + afs transparent tubes is Clive Walshie and his email is ......................

AND YOUR POINT IS WHAT ???????

As usual you've lost me !

This was at cost - = NO PROFIT

I did ask you and you agree - your reply -- MAKE 100 AND SELL TO ROB


You are a liar see your reply below to my email - if any one wants me to forward the email to them i will .

From: Athanasios Raptis
Sent: 29 July 2010 5:42 PM
To: RWLC
Subject: Re: GGTS & AFSV2

I dont have objections my friend, no problem !

2010/7/29 RWLC <rwlc@btinternet.com>
Hi Imeo
People keep asking me where can they get a clear tube like mine
I can get them made but will need to sell 20 to make it affordable .
I am not making a profit i am just gonna cover my costs , and wont effect your sales as they still need your AFSV2 .
Is it OK with you ?
But will only do if i get enough interest otherwise will cost too much .

Regards


NOT THAT I HAD TO ASK !


Again just in case you missed it the 1st 2nd 3rd 4th time I DONT MAKE ANYTHING

 

[imeothanasis]

Not that you had to ask? Then why you asked me in your previous post if I want you to make copper posts? If there is no need to ask me then why you dont make a GG?
And you dont make anything? Maybe I am crazy then and mwa makes them or urbanite, or Tim or Hopefull. Maybe Rob makes them.
And I lost you as usual? Ok then I would like to totally lost you. So please dont bother yourself with GG.

thanks Arry

 

[arry]

I dont like people who LIE -



From: Athanasios Raptis
Sent: 29 July 2010 5:42 PM
To: RWLC
Subject: Re: GGTS & AFSV2

I dont have objections my friend, no problem !
2010/7/29 RWLC

Hi Imeo
People keep asking me where can they get a clear tube like mine
I can get them made but will need to sell 20 to make it affordable .
I am not making a profit i am just gonna cover my costs , and wont effect your sales as they still need your AFSV2 .
Is it OK with you ?
But will only do if i get enough interest otherwise will cost too much .

Regards

 

[imeothanasis]

Arry, I dont have an objection my friend. Maybe I dont remember well our first conversation and yes maybe I let you do that at the first point. I never lie to anyone, I just dont remember. But can you please post all our mails about AVS or about new constructions? Are you sure you didnt start this to just make trouble from nothing?

 

[imeothanasis]

To inform all people, Arry started this thread but I moved the first 2 posts here so it looks like I opened the thread.

Ok, arry, I have a suggestion. I want to apologize to you and you will stop making anything for GG. Do we agree?

 

[arry]

not that you had to ask? Then why you asked me in your previous post if i want you to make copper posts? If there is no need to ask me then why you dont make a gg?

and you dont make anything? Maybe i am crazy then and mwa makes them or urbanite, or tim or hopefull. Maybe rob makes them.
And i lost you as usual? Ok then i would like to totally lost you. So please dont bother yourself with gg.

Thanks arry

I didnt ask to make anything

i told you to make them



arry , doesnt make anything only commisions work

 

[Ways]

Just out of curiosity, what is the issue with someone making a transparent tank for the AFS/AVS ? someone other than Imeo i mean?

 

[Tyke]

Just out of curiosity, what is the issue with someone making a transparent tank for the AFS/AVS ? someone other than Imeo i mean?

In real terms none, Imeo hadn't wanted to make transparent tanks, Arry had a friend with the equipment make them as an add on upgrades for people who already had bought AFS's and AVS's. It's not like the tanks replace the whole of either feed system, just one bit and you have to have the original to use them.

It's a bit like car or PC modifications, they're supplied as additional upgrade bits. I bet that custom alloy wheel makers don't consult BMW or Ford if they can make wheels to fit their cars and the car companies can't really stop them making wheels for the aftersales upgrade market.

 

[Ways]

In real terms none, Imeo hadn't wanted to make transparent tanks, Arry had a friend with the equipment make them as an add on upgrades for people who already had bought AFS's and AVS's. It's not like the tanks replace the whole of either feed system, just one bit and you have to have the original to use them.

It's a bit like car or PC modifications, they're supplied as additional upgrade bits. I bet that custom alloy wheel makers don't consult BMW or Ford if they can make wheels to fit their cars and the car companies can't really stop them making wheels for the aftersales upgrade market.

Ok so not a design issue then, i don't want a transparent tank on my GGTS as it is only used at home where i have plenty of e-juice and keep it topped up as a matter of course but i would love an AVS for my GGTB and a transparent tank seems like it would be ideal as it would only take a moment to verify the juice level in the tank before picking it up and heading out of the house.

Even better would be a GGTB AVS in brass or bronze with a sight glass / level indicator, wishful thinking perhaps?

 

[imeothanasis]

Tyke, I agree with you about ford but GG is not ford. So what is the part that someone cant make and cant sell? For example can he make the whole GG by making all the parts of it but not the mouthpiece? If he do that its ok? Can he sell everything and maybe in lower price?

And if I deside to make clean tanks then can I do it or I am a copier to my own construction? And if I do it then I have to compet another person for my own construction? Am I a prisoner to my own prison?

 

[Tyke]

Even better would be a GGTB AVS in brass or bronze with a sight glass / level indicator, wishful thinking perhaps?

That would be elegant, somewhat like a piece of Victorian/Edwardian steam age engineering.

I think Imeo is considering options for a GGTB juice feed.

 

[vapn]

Classic!!!!!!! LMAO....

Thanks arry for providing an excellent upgrade that we have been asking for for ages!

 

[imeothanasis]

I know already what I will do Tyke. The only I want is time!!

 

[Tyke]

Tyke, I agree with you about ford but GG is not ford. So what is the part that someone cant make and cant sell? For example can he make the whole GG by making all the parts of it but not the mouthpiece? If he do that its ok? Can he sell everything and maybe in lower price?

True, but on that theme there's nothing to stop any Chinese manufacturer from getting one and replicating it. As I'm sure you're aware the Chinese pay no attention to patents and will happily rip off good ideas and sell the copies cheaply.
I don't know if you've taken out an International patent on the various GG parts, but apart from the moral argument there's literally nothing you can do to stop people making custom replacement bits to fit your designs if you haven't and enforcing International patents is known to be savagely expensive and difficult.
Ford do have patented parts and the resources to back them, but there are still after market replicas and upgrades.

 

[Ways]

I know already what I will do Tyke. The only I want is time!!

You will do an elegant design reminiscent of Victorian/Edwardian steam age engineering? with a level indicator? oh yes you will...

All glory to the Hypnotoad

 

[imeothanasis]

True, but on that theme there's nothing to stop any Chinese manufacturer from getting one and replicating it. As I'm sure you're aware the Chinese pay no attention to patents and will happily rip off good ideas and sell the copies cheaply.
I don't know if you've taken out an International patent on the various GG parts, but apart from the moral argument there's literally nothing you can do to stop people making custom replacement bits to fit your designs if you haven't and enforcing International patents is known to be savagely expensive and difficult.
Ford do have patented parts and the resources to back them, but there are still after market replicas and upgrades.

I know that too Tyke. I cant stop China, there are no laws there. But from an ECF member???

But why am I wondering? Nhaler made a direct copy of old Grant and not only is not out of business but he is still is a respectable seller. Go figure

Arry, its ok. Maybe I overreact here. The only I want you is to stop making those tanks. I hope you agree

 

[scinsc]

What is really needed is more AFSv2 units. You could sell a ton.

 

[Tyke]

What is really needed is more AFSv2 units. You could sell a ton.

True, it's a shame you stopped making them and there's definitely a market for them.

 

[imeothanasis]

They are in my plans guys. I just had no time. I have plenty of requests for AFS v2 and I have already the designs for it (some changes will apply). I need a little more time, thats it