Article: "Will Cigarettes Be Made Illegal in the Near Future?"

[banjo]

Just found this article. Sounds as though the FDA could make the same argument against eCigs!

Will Cigarettes Be Made Illegal in the Near Future? | Drugs | AlterNet

 

[Petrodus]

Pssst... Hey, buddy
I've got Acapulco Gold, Marlboro Reds, and some E-cigarettes

 

[Petrodus]

For the benefit of a Rant and helping those new to the political arena finding
difficulty wrapping their heads around why certain health organizations
and zealots are opposed to E-cigarettes...

Some health organizations receive funding from Big Phama
and have a financial interest in banning E-cigarettes. It doesn't
make common sense that health organizations could be opposed
to a healthy alternative... However, money talks and the rest walks.

Anti E-smoking movement

It doesn't make any difference if your sucking on a cigarette,
an E-cigarette, a candy cigarette, or a straw. The appearance
of smoking is now an unacceptable "Social Behavior" (period)

Waiving the flag of Truth, Health, and Science in the face
of zealots means absolutely nothing!

Many zealots are informed and they have the Internet and know
where to find Google. They have been in the fight for a while
and have been exposed to truth and groups like the ECF.

The zealots want to eliminate the "Behavior of Smoking" from
the face of the planet. They know they can't win if they argue
E-cigarettes are dangerous like tobacco. So they adopted the
slogan of "Save the Children" in an attempt to eliminate
any discussion of Truth, Health, and Science.

Most uninformed zealots can't be turned from the "Dark Side"
because they want to ban the "Social Behavior" of smoking.

To quote kristin... when she was recently asked if she gets
frustrated when trying to communicate with zealots

"It's like rationalizing with a 2 year old on why she can't
have M & M's for dinner. You can give her all of the
logical, reasonable explanations and she still says,
"M & Ms!" and refuses to eat her dinner!"

Can we win the fight? Yes

Suggested listening
An hour with Dr. Michael Siegel: Click Here

 

[rothenbj]

I commented-

How does the Canadian government manage to track their success in tracking smoking rates? Do the bootleggers file annual reports on consumption to help the government with the stats?

This war on cigarettes is the slowest moving war in the history of man. If you believe the quotes from the prohibitionists, 440,000 smoking related deaths, 1,100 new minors per day become long term smokers, 45-46m current smokers, it will take nearly 1,200 years to eradicate smoking in the US. Does that sound like success to you?

Rather than lining the pockets of the governments (fed, state and local) with cigarette tax dollars and Big Pharma with useless smoking cessation profits and ?non-profit?"health" association coffers with BP payments and tax dollars to protect their growing financial empire, it's time to move away from prohibition and the lies that such ideology promotes.

There are tobacco products out there- Swedish snus, Ariva, Stonewalls and other smokeless items that are 99% safer than smoking but this information is denied and the use discouraged by the prohibitionist movement. There are E Cigarettes, where, if our health organizations really wanted to reduce the number of smokers, these organizations could use their money to help determine how much safer they are than real smokes. Of course the don't. Why? To keep those dollars coming in from the war.

 

[Petrodus]

I commented-
How does the Canadian government manage to track...

I'm jealous...
I wish I wrote that! KUDOS

Read the Comments: Click Here

 

[toriL]

do you know what kills more people per year than cigarettes?

Leading Causes of Death

(Data are for the U.S.)


Number of deaths for leading causes of death 2006 (CDC)

* Heart disease: 616,067
* Cancer: 562,875
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 123,706
* Alzheimer's disease: 74,632
* Diabetes: 71,382
* Influenza and Pneumonia: 52,717
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 46,448
* Septicemia: 34,828

So, hows about we close all the fast food chains down (heart disease) - Make overeating illegal - How about we just purchase meal rations directly from the government, so we don't eat more than they think we should???? Next, lets Make High Fructose Corn Syrup illegal and tax all products containing over a certain % of sugar (diabetes)? Tax to death all caffeine containing products like soda, coffee, tea......?? WHY NOT???

I'm sure these sound crazy - but so did talk of outlawing cigarettes 20 years ago.

 

[Petrodus]

Just finished reading the Comments

Found the following comment written by someone living in a senior citizen's center
with interesting observations and conclusions.

If cigarettes are banned, there will be exceptions for us oldsters. I'll probably have to register as a lifetime smoker and get prescriptions for tobacco, but since I'm low income, my Medicare Part D and Medic-Aid will pay for it.

Downside, I haven't seen a doctor in years, and don't want to.

Upside, I'll save money and won't have to spend time rolling cigarettes.

I'm amused by the controversy about tobacco. When lifelong smokers like myself and some of the folks at my senior center or residents of my senior building are perfectly healthy, we're said to have good genes or be exceptions to the rule. When young people and even children who never smoked, whose parents never smoked, and who have never spent time in an environment with people who smoke get lung cancer, it is blamed on second-hand or even third-hand smoke. The fact that the air they breathe was polluted with carcinogenic vehicle, factory, and nuclear emissions is ignored, and a villain is invented who must have either passed within fifty feet of them with a lit cigarette at some point in their brief lives, or else somebody carried the cigarette smoke on their clothes and contaminated the entire neighborhood.

When half the children of an entire town get cancer, the corporations insist that there is no proof that it was caused by a known corporate polluter nearby. When there is scientific proof (as there has been since 1972) that people who live near roads and highways with heavy vehicle traffic have ten times more cancers of all types than people who live in rural areas with very few cars, there's no rush to make cars illegal.

For a country that wantonly scatters tons of "depleted" uranium all over the globe, to express concern about the toxicity of cigarettes, is hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

[Petrodus]

So, hows about we close all the fast food chains down (heart disease) - Make overeating illegal - How about we just purchase meal rations directly from the government, so we don't eat more than they think we should???? Next, lets Make High Fructose Corn Syrup illegal and tax all products containing over a certain % of sugar (diabetes)? Tax to death all caffeine containing products like soda, coffee, tea......?? WHY NOT???

You don't think there are zealots out there right with these on their "ban list" ???

 

[MoonRose]

do you know what kills more people per year than cigarettes?

Leading Causes of Death

(Data are for the U.S.)


Number of deaths for leading causes of death 2006 (CDC)

* Heart disease: 616,067
* Cancer: 562,875
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924

Actually these 4 are usually attributed to smoking and second-hand smoke by most anti-smoking groups.

 

[toriL]

well, not really - but what I'm saying is who's rights are next? How far do we allow our govt agencies go in dictating social behaviors?

also, here are the cause of death stats from 1930, just for comparisons sake:

1. heart disease, 251,153
2. influenza/pneumonia, 120,171
3. cancer - all types, 114,146
4. nephritis, 106,679
5. stroke, 104,345
6. TB, 83,352
7. accidents (non motor vehicle), 63,031
8. premature birth

 

[toriL]

I know they are all lumped under smoking, but I'd like to see proof of that. Whenever I've went to the DR for anything as a smoker and I mean ANYTHING - it seemed to be caused by smoking, we'll see what gets the blame here on out - my guess is nicotine.

 

[MoonRose]

LOL ... we know that the government and all the alphabet gang will use misinformation and outright lies to get their way.

Now they are always saying that the rate of deaths due to smoking and second-hand smoke has increased over the years. What they so obviously sidestep is that it's only natural that the number of deaths from heart disease, cancer and respiratory problems would increase because the overall population of the States and the world has increased in an almost exact proportion to the number of deaths.

 

[Petrodus]

40 States Get an "F" in Tobacco Prevention Report Card

The report faults states for using revenues from tobacco taxes
and the tobacco settlement money to balance their budgets instead
of using that money to fund anti-smoking and quit-smoking programs.

Article: Click Here

 

[toriL]

@petrodus - thanks for the link

 

[slappy]

Problem with this... The government is addicted to money. Eliminating such a large cash cow as tobacco will have violent withdraw symtoms. Menthols will be easy, all tobacco, less so.

E-Cigarettes are somewhat safe because anyone with enough ingenuity can build a vaporizor (spoon and lighter) and as long as nicotine is readily available, there will be juice. IMHO.

The only exception I see is if the demand decreases such that the revenue loss is minor or displaced.

 

[toriL]

haha, ALA gives FDA a "B" however! so funny!!

 

[MoonRose]

I know they are all lumped under smoking, but I'd like to see proof of that. Whenever I've went to the DR for anything as a smoker and I mean ANYTHING - it seemed to be caused by smoking, we'll see what gets the blame here on out - my guess is nicotine.

There are actually only 2 things that can be attributed to nicotine use (according to my own doctor), and that's increased pulse rate and sometimes increased blood pressure. And those are usually directly related to the amount of nicotine being taken in. This is not to say that everyone will have problems with these as the effects of nicotine are different for every person.

 

[Vocalek]

There are actually only 2 things that can be attributed to nicotine use (according to my own doctor), and that's increased pulse rate and sometimes increased blood pressure. And those are usually directly related to the amount of nicotine being taken in. This is not to say that everyone will have problems with these as the effects of nicotine are different for every person.

The ALA has been telling us for decades that 20 minutes after your last cigarette, your blood pressure goes down.

You could say the same for strenuous exercise.

 

[Jim K.]

Smoking has been around since the founding of our country. It seems to me that our government and these different organizations are trying to control our different freedoms, for no other reason than to just control things. Smoking is a choice that everyone makes for themselves. Everyone should have the right to make their own decisions, as long as it's not harming the people around them.

As far as adolescents, and children being enticed to smoke, therefore we should make tobacco, or e-cigs illegal is complete rubbish. If teens are picking up smoking, it should rest on the shoulders of the parent. Once again governments and organizations are pointing to the wrong solution and overlooking the true problem entirely.

 

[pupmastermp3]

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