Aspire Pegasus - 70W, single 18650, and TC too (apparently)

[TheBloke]

Official site: Aspire - Aspire Pegasus

It's all fairly standard - 70W, single 18650, floating 510, USB charging (unknown if charging only, or also FW update), resistance displayed to two decimal places.

The only thing that appears somewhat unusual are the controls - a fire button with some kind of toggle switch or rotating dial, reminiscent of the joyetech Evic-VT.

Oh, and it's got a charging dock. Does this mean the USB is for FW upgrades, not charging? Or quite possibly it has two charging methods - dock, and normal cable.

There's no mention in the specs of TC. However, on Facebook they recently posted this picture:

So I'm thinking they added TC later in the development cycle, perhaps even as an afterthought, thinking they wouldn't have TC, then seeing the istick TC and Every Other mod In The World That Now Has TC, and decided maybe it was important after all.

I'll keep an eye on the website to see if it gets updated with TC details.

 

[Eric Auer]

Will be Interesting to see what TC solution they came up with.

Eric

 

[silversmok]

I saw this today ... If it's true then watch out every other type of tc device.

Edit: wrong thread but I'll leave it here anyways



Recently the iJoy Mod company launched a taste control mod called asolo. It’s gonna be a revolutionary product. Details: IJOY Asolo 200W VW/TC Express Kit W/O Battery

The major features are as below:
1. Not like other VT mods, setting a temperature into the mod and it will keep the temp steadily, Asolo actually accept a 'point' not a number of temperature. So when you are vaping with Asolo, and feel the taste of vapor is just fit your need, right at that moment, set it to the mod, and it will remember it. Then it will try to keep it steadily.

2. According to IJOY, it works precisely. It actually is able to detect the change of 1/100 of current working temperature, 1/1000 of resistance. And it allows user to set a range of +/- 20% to let the mod adjust the temperature within.

3. People actually don’t know and no need to know the temperature, all he need is to find a spot that the taste is great for him, and Asolo will be able to keep itself working in that situation steadily.

4. Based on Asolo’s design, it can support almost all the coil material in the market. Ti, Ni, Ni-Cr, Ti-Cr, Kanthal A1, etc. It’s the first and only one that can support Kanthal in the market so far.

5. Another important feature is, Asolo is able to detect that the tank is out of e-juice and alert the user with 0.3 sec. And it will automatically stop working to avoid burn taste.

6. It also has password setting so kids under 18 or other people won’t be able to use your mod if you don’t want.

 

[Croak]

The Pegasus has a nice and understated enclosure. And I imagine the wheel is a click wheel for wattage/temp adjustment. Click to raise or lower, fire to select, similar to the eVic (and Kamry units) and actually basically the same as Aspire's last box mod.

As for TC implementation, there's enough knowledge floating around Shenzhen these days and Aspire is pretty conservative about releasing product, so I'm not worried about them messing it up too badly. Biggest question is if they jump on the temp control for "other than Ni200" materials bandwagon...they should, since they already make TC-worthy stainless coils for the Triton.

Oh, and Bloke, did you see Busardo's review of the Pipeline Pro 2 today? Pretty much proves Dicodes has the best TC on the market to go along with their button phobia. :0 And he uses a Triton SS coil with the Pipeline at a 105 TCR with excellent results.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

According to IJOY, it works precisely.

According to the redbull site, redbull gives you wings...

 

[erikbal]

It can be charged with the dock or the usb on the device itself.

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[TheotherSteveS]

I saw this today ... If it's true then watch out every other type of tc device.

Edit: wrong thread but I'll leave it here anyways



Recently the iJoy Mod company launched a taste control mod called asolo. It’s gonna be a revolutionary product. Details: IJOY Asolo 200W VW/TC Express Kit W/O Battery

The major features are as below:
1. Not like other VT mods, setting a temperature into the mod and it will keep the temp steadily, Asolo actually accept a 'point' not a number of temperature. So when you are vaping with Asolo, and feel the taste of vapor is just fit your need, right at that moment, set it to the mod, and it will remember it. Then it will try to keep it steadily.

2. According to IJOY, it works precisely. It actually is able to detect the change of 1/100 of current working temperature, 1/1000 of resistance. And it allows user to set a range of +/- 20% to let the mod adjust the temperature within.

3. People actually don’t know and no need to know the temperature, all he need is to find a spot that the taste is great for him, and Asolo will be able to keep itself working in that situation steadily.

4. Based on Asolo’s design, it can support almost all the coil material in the market. Ti, Ni, Ni-Cr, Ti-Cr, Kanthal A1, etc. It’s the first and only one that can support Kanthal in the market so far.

5. Another important feature is, Asolo is able to detect that the tank is out of e-juice and alert the user with 0.3 sec. And it will automatically stop working to avoid burn taste.

6. It also has password setting so kids under 18 or other people won’t be able to use your mod if you don’t want.

This has been disussed elsewhere but anyway..as far anyone can tell, it is trying to use the almost non-existent TCR of kanthal to get a ball-park reading of the temperature at which the user defines his/her optimum vape and then allows user adjustement eithe side of that point. Maybe this isnt how it works and maybe it will turn out to be on point but its an accident waiting to happen as far as Im concerned. If that is what it is doing, even tapping the atty and disturbing the build connectivity will royally screw the settings on the next vape. I dont have great hopes for it. Less so since their own rep stated that it works better with kanthal twisted with Ni200...lol! No kidding einstein!! I guess, as ever, we will see when/if they ever let someone who knows what they are doing review one!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Back OT!! Apparently it seems that the Pegasus has been upgraded pre-release to include TC as @TheBloke indicated...

A Pegasus with Temperature Control ??? - Aspire New Products release Discussions on Aspire Forums

Looks pretty good if the TC works well!!

 

[Guzz]

The Pegasus has a nice and understated enclosure. And I imagine the wheel is a click wheel for wattage/temp adjustment. Click to raise or lower, fire to select, similar to the eVic (and Kamry units) and actually basically the same as Aspire's last box mod.

Well, my pre-release Pegasus wheel, isn't click. It's a smooth, but stiff adjustment wheel. You just spin it one way to increase, opposite to decrease. If you spin it faster, the increments jump by 10, instead of 1.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

If it is true, WTH haven't they updated their website?!?!?!?

 

[Mooch]

If it is true, WTH haven't they updated their website?!?!?!?

It's often a lot faster to just have someone in marketing upload a photo to a Facebook page than it is to have their in-house programmer update a web page, test it, have it approved, and then take it live. I'm sure it will be updated soon though.

 

[TheBloke]

The Pegasus has a nice and understated enclosure. And I imagine the wheel is a click wheel for wattage/temp adjustment. Click to raise or lower, fire to select, similar to the eVic (and Kamry units) and actually basically the same as Aspire's last box mod.

As for TC implementation, there's enough knowledge floating around Shenzhen these days and Aspire is pretty conservative about releasing product, so I'm not worried about them messing it up too badly. Biggest question is if they jump on the temp control for "other than Ni200" materials bandwagon...they should, since they already make TC-worthy stainless coils for the Triton.

Oh, and Bloke, did you see Busardo's review of the Pipeline Pro 2 today? Pretty much proves Dicodes has the best TC on the market to go along with their button phobia. :0 And he uses a Triton SS coil with the Pipeline at a 105 TCR with excellent results.

Yeah I hope they will too. I want every mod to have TCR, not just Ti/Ni200. I've emailed Aspire to ask/suggest that, FWIW (not much probably.)

I just picked up a Triton the other day, impulse buy in a B+M, and it's a nice tank. Anything with top fill gets my interest, but this has good flavour too. I like having the odd coil-head around for when I get new juices and can't be bothered to coil. Still don't understand the airflow-in-the-drip-tip, but I don't have to use it

Thanks for the heads up - I haven't watched Busardo's video yet but plan to soon. Great to hear he's shown it in a good light. I still use it as my benchmark device, though I had expected to at some point move over to the DNA 200 for that purpose. I had been assuming they would be on-par in accuracy when a single-value TCR was used, but that the DNA 200 would be ahead for any curved-TCR wire. So it'll definitely be interesting if the Germans have them beat I never got around to measuring the 200, but hope to soon.

 

[Croak]

The Germans have them beat. While Phil hasn't put up any instrumented results for the DNA200, when he was summing up the Pipeline, he said something like "this is the best temp control vape I've had yet, on any device".

And looking at the Dicodes graphs, it's pretty darn apparent why, it's very very smooth when regulating temps.

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/2015/08/13/the-pipeline-pro-2/

Last three pictures in the gallery, if you don't want to sit through an hour o'Phil.

 

[SteveElbows]

I wasn't sure what to make of the Pegasus when the marketing materials were first released, because it was mostly a 3D rendered product rather than the real thing.

Having now seen various youtube videos featuring the actual product that was sent out before this last minute temperature control stuff and apparent release delay, I'm very pleased with how the mod looks. I also wasn't sure what the battery door mechanism would be like, and in fact it looks quite nice to use, though only time will tell how durable it is.

I havent studied the videos too carefully yet mind, and I haven't tried to sniff out the full story on the temperature control. One thing that bothers me about that is that the pegasus only has the one button and the dial, which may make the necessary interactions to switch between temp and power mode etc a bit of a pain if they just try to cram this functionality in at the last minute. Hopefully they have an elegant solution for that if this is the path they are going down.

The only thing I was hoping for was that this mod was just a little bit smaller than it actually turns out to be.

I kind of want one, which is sadly as much a reflection on how much I am not loving the Sigelei 75W TC I bought quite some weeks ago now as it is how much I like the look of the Pegasus.

 

[SteveElbows]

OK on some other forum I found someone from Aspire saying that to change to temp mode, you screw on the atomiser/tank, make sure the screen is on and then hold the fire button down for 4 seconds and it will determine whether the coil is TC or not. Perhaps this will work, perhaps its a bad solution, lets hope they get it right.

 

[TheBloke]

OK on some other forum I found someone from Aspire saying that to change to temp mode, you screw on the atomiser/tank, make sure the screen is on and then hold the fire button down for 4 seconds and it will determine whether the coil is TC or not. Perhaps this will work, perhaps its a bad solution, lets hope they get it right.

Thanks for the info!

Hmm. I suppose that's meant to be an equivalent to Yihi's hold +/- to lock resistance. Except it sounds like there's no choice of VW/TC mode, it just detects. So it must be powering the coil and monitoring the resistance - if it rises, it's a TC coil.

Any mention of a menu system to switch between VW/TC mode and/or to change options? Or of supporting wire types other than Ni200?

I have to say it sounds like a kludge - and that my first pondering seems correct, that they added TC at the last minute after they realised every other new mod had it and they were very late to the party. So they've hacked it in at the last minute, in a rather clumsy way.

You put on a new coil and hold fire for four seconds - but how does it tell the difference between you wanting to fire a new VW coil, or probe for a new TC coil? Does this mean if you put on a new VW coil and hold fire, it won't do anything the first time? Or that it will fire every coil with the set temp, only switching to TC mode after four seconds? Surely not, because that risks toasting a Ni200 coil if the power is set high.

If there is a switch between VW and TC modes then it makes more sense, but then why do you have to hold for four seconds to probe a new coil? Why not just detect it with the first, single tap like a DNA 40 (and clones) can do? Or have the Lock Resistance on a button combo, like Yihi?

That's why it seems like a kludge and not a proper implementation, like them finding the quickest way to crow bar TC into an already designed system. So no dedicated controls, just the first fire monitors for resistance and changes mode if found.

I hope there's more to it than that but it all sounds a bit odd at the moment.

 

[SteveElbows]

I share your thoughts, but thats pretty much all the info I found so far, it wasn't a lengthy post and that sparse detail was really it. Except I think I also read that the maximum wattage in TC mode is 50 Watts.

 

[hazozita]

OK on some other forum I found someone from Aspire saying that to change to temp mode, you screw on the atomiser/tank, make sure the screen is on and then hold the fire button down for 4 seconds and it will determine whether the coil is TC or not. Perhaps this will work, perhaps its a bad solution, lets hope they get it right.

Apparently that's the way it has been designed -- Aspire posted the following on their FB page. Seems to me to be a pretty coarse method compared with other TC boards. Going to be passing on this one at the moment.

 

[TheBloke]

Wow, they really did crow bar this in. One to avoid it would seem. Even if the TC is accurate, the usability sucks. Needing 4+ seconds to pulse the coil at 30W to check if it's TC?? Good grief. I suppose they limited themselves with the jog dial, makes it harder to add combos. But surely something like "hold dial left while pressing fire" would have been possible to switch modes. Joyetech have basically the same system and they did it reasonably well and with three modes - VW, Ni and Ti. But they didn't add TC as an afterthought of course. I guess Aspire had no way to add a menu on three-press-fire or similar.

And that last sentence: surely it means "coils that have a resistance above 0.15 ohm will continue to read as that resistance" (ie displaying the locked resistance.) Not, as it's written, that it displays any coil of >0.15Ω as being 0.15Ω! Though anything is possible at this stage I suppose. Wow that would be bad.

Dear oh dear. Well I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds. Aspire is a well known, well respected name, and in particular is a very familiar name to lots of lower-tech vapers. The kind who will be experiencing TC for the first time via this device. Please don't let this be their first experience, it might put them off for life. At least ELeaf got their iStick TC out first, so there's some chance this won't pollute the waters too much. That's probably the reason they're rushing this out so fast, the recent release of the ELeaf TC making them realise they were falling behind the status quo of the entry level market.

Oh, and I'm thinking that's a "no" to supporting wires other than Ni200 Then again they add it with the current system. Heat it for four seconds, measure the increased resistance, assume that a resistance rise of x% is Ni200, y% is Titanium and z% is Stainless Steel. Somehow I can't see that happening though. Outside chance of Titanium I suppose; not that you'd want to use it for Titanium if it displays any resistance over 0.15Ω as 0.15Ω.

Actually that raises another possible fail - could this be the first Ni200 TC mod that won't support Titanium with a temperature offset? Depends what they check for. If they say "any significant resistance rise = TC", that's OK. If they check for Ni200's amount or close to it, that might rule out Titanium and assume it's VW because it didn't rise enough. Unless they have implemented Titanium, which might be OK except it relies on the base resistance being measured when the coil is completely cold - if it's accidentally measured when warm or hot, it might well read a Ni200 coil as Titanium and the resulting vape will be not just a bit out, but unusable.

Christ the usability of this is just terrible. Let's say you put your coil on without letting it cool fully. On an Evolv (+ clones), it'll refine down over time. On a Lock Resistance mod, you need to notice yourself but can then correct it any time. On this mod, you have to unscrew and rescrew, and you can't do that immediately after the last check because it's just heated the coil considerably from its 30W pulses for 4 seconds. And in the unlikely scenario they implemented an auto-detect Titanium, a Ni200 coil might be picked up as Titanium and won't give any vapour at all. Oh and course you probably won't even know if the resistance looks right or not because it just displays as 0.15Ω!

Damn it can't be this bad, can it?

 

[drugarth]

What if I put in a high ohm kanthal coil (say the 1.8 nautilus coil), won't the 30 watt pulse burn my coil?