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Berylanna

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The ostensible difference between Astroturf and a real grass-roots movement is who is driving it.

The REAL difference, the ONLY difference that counts to people in power, is whether or not the movement will affect votes.

It does not even need to cause an outright defeat. If it makes a visible difference in votes, it becomes significant.

Unless we have some closet billionaires in the vaping community, the only way to influence votes is to talk to, and work for, political candidates or parties.

I don't know if Europe, like the U.S., has a dearth of elections in odd-numbered years, but I know that we don't seem to have scared anybody yet in any large constituency. Nor have we done a sufficient job of alerting people that there are lawyers speaking in the name of medical organizations as if they were doctors.

When you're deciding how to use vacation days, save some for boots-on-the-ground door-to-door campaigning, envelope-stuffing, tacking up or delivering lawn signs or window signs, or whatever forms campaigning takes. There are a lot of swing voters who decide by mainstream media ONLY because they're not hearing from anybody closer to home. That is how we can reduce, even if only slightly, the impact of BP and BT campaign money.

ALSO get NON-SMOKING, non-vaping, relatives to write snail mail letters to MP's pointing out that they would not have supported you in this if it was about smoke inhalation.

This weekend I'm going to a political party meeting, in Berkeley, CA, of a party that, at this time, fits into a pub. But we'll see.
 
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Closet bilionaires !?. You mean someone that would have got in touch with say David Cameron when he was on his holidays and ask him to veto any unreasonable pending regulations pertaining to Nicotine Liquid's used in electronic cigarettes when the time comes. How much would that cost this closet billionaire ? £1,000,000 ?, £20,000,000 !. Would that be a charitable thing to do for the general public of great britain ?. The problem with lobbying MP's or MEP's is they've already been gotten too, so it would be like an auction where the price would skyrocket. The only lobbying that could quash the reg's would be to the prime minister for a veto. Lets face it, the vote is only going to go one way isn't it. If the MP's have already been paid off then no ammount of lobbying from the vaping community is going to change their minds. So forget them lot.

But that idea of asking david cameron for a veto, has it already been done ?. Well i couldn't possibly comment could i ! :)
 

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Closet bilionaires !?. You mean someone that would have got in touch with say David Cameron when he was on his holidays and ask him to veto any unreasonable pending regulations pertaining to Nicotine Liquid's used in electronic cigarettes when the time comes. How much would that cost this closet billionaire ? £1,000,000 ?, £20,000,000 !. Would that be a charitable thing to do for the general public of great britain ?. The problem with lobbying MP's or MEP's is they've already been gotten too, so it would be like an auction where the price would skyrocket. The only lobbying that could quash the reg's would be to the prime minister for a veto. Lets face it, the vote is only going to go one way isn't it. If the MP's have already been paid off then no ammount of lobbying from the vaping community is going to change their minds. So forget them lot.

But that idea of asking david cameron for a veto, has it already been done ?. Well i couldn't possibly comment could i ! :)


No, first-world politicians are not bought and paid for. What their donors are offering them that is so valuable is ACCESS TO YOU. Money for ads, fliers, road trips.

YOU are what they are being bribed with. And anything you do to make it clear that the BM people (I mean Big Money but really, my mom didn't usually let me say 'BM' in public) don't actually own you will get their attention. Each person can only make themselves clear as one person, which doesn't cut it, but when you start getting your family and friends to write also, it adds up.

Of course, there is one more thing the BP lobbyists are VERY well-known for, and that is funding people who they already agree with or can dupe. Like ANTZ. The only way to fight an ANTZ is to work to get someone different elected. Because they will not change their vote, so BP just gives them the money for the purpose of keeping someone else from getting that office.

Either way, giving up is asking for exactly what you get.

I think it is Petrodus that keeps posting that we don't get the government we want, we get the one that we deserve. Deserving takes work. Tired feet. Paper cuts on your fingers. A sore ear from phone calls. Liberty is not free, and big, noisy heroism is only ONE component.

It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.
 
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