Atlantis: Juice is harsh till warmed up?

[Penumbra]

A couple of weeks ago I ventured into the world of Sub-Ohm vaping.

I have an iStick50 w/ an Aspire Atlantis at .5 ohms.

I started with 40%vg and quickly learned how harsh pg can be with sub-ohming... so i have been happy with 80%vg +.

The problem is, even with this higher amount of vg, the first 2-3 hits are always harsh... the same burning i got with the higher amounts of PG... but once the juice warms up, the harshness goes away... is this normal?

Is it just how sub-ohming is?.. or how the Atlantis is?

The first time this happened was when i tried my first Mt. Baker Vapor juice... Blueberry 80VG, .6 % nic, 1-extra flavor shot.

I posted this issue on the Mt Baker forum but everyone was stumped... I then attributed it to the Atlantis... but still not sure.

Then, I switched juices back to the juice I had been buying from my local shop (Kalamazoo Vapor); but, now it happens no matter who's juice I use.

I wonder if my coil / wick needs to be replaced... however, I did open a brand new coil to try that blueberry... so I dont think its that.

The whole thing has me stumped, furthermore, it affects my enjoyment of sub-ohming in general. I wish I could avoid this harshness thing all together.

CAN ANYONE HELP!!

Thank you friends

 

[doc2281]

Harshness is generally related to two things ... PG level, and nicotine level.

On a sub-ohm tank, these things are amplified, due to the low resistance level. The fact that it happens with every juice you try leads me to think something with the wicking is going on. You may be getting a semi dry hit. What wattage are you vaping at? I've got my MVP turned up to 30 with an atlantis, using 80 percent VG at 6mg nicotine, and it's great.

Edit : The Atlantis BVC coils are rated for 20 to 30 watts, and you've got a 50 watt mod. If you're going over 30, I'd say that might be a big part of your issue.

 

[jbok]

Yeah I gotta agree with doc, I use 70% VG in my tanks and never go over 6mg nic when sub-ohming.

 

[phobiarg]

Are you priming the coils with juice before you vape them?

 

[militantomg]

I don't have an atlantis, so I'm not too sure how she does with high VG liquids. What wattage are you vaping at? It sounds to me like you've set the wattage too high for the thickness of the juice and it doesn't start wicking properly until its warmed up and thins out.

 

[petrotech]

I concur with everyone above me...I use my Atlantis with the .5 coils at about 25 watts, 6 nic, and 50/50 pg/vg and it's great!

 

[silenuz]

Using the istick 30 I never noticed anything like that. But a buddy always said how good his was at around 40 watts so I put it on another mod to try it for a coil or two.

It did seem to work great at 40 even with higher vg but I noticed exactly what you are talking about. First few hits when I pick it up have a harshness to it, not like a dry hit at all. Maybe a cooked residue on the coil? I don't know. But i know what you mean.

The coils are only rated for up to 30 watts and no issues there.

 

[Penumbra]

hmm... I am aware of the 20-30 watt limit. Lately ive been chillin around 23 watts. Ive taken it up to 35 and I'd say it hits fine.

I use higher nic amounts 1.2%.
The harshness happened with the mt baker which was at .6mg/ml so... I've completelt ruled nic amounts.

Too me, there are 2 kinds of "throat hits."
A nicotine throat hit, which (for me) is like a small narrow quick burn on the center of my throat, ONLY on the inhale... not exhale.

Then the "PG throat hit", which (once again too me) is like a broad burn on the whole surface of my throat... center, up, down, left, right, and all over; furthermore, its on the inhale AND exhale.

The issue i'm referring to, w/ regard to the first 2 to 3 hits being harsh on the Atlantis (of which, once warmed-up goes away), is a "PG" style burn... broad, entire-throat, on the inhale and exhale.

I wonder if I should try a different sub ohm tank... like the sub-tank.


thanks again for the replies everybody ; )

 

[dhood]

I don't have the Atlantis, but I do have a Subtank. When I'm starting out with the tank, I always start around 13 watts and graduate up about 3 watts every 5 or so draws. I do this even when the tank has been in use for a while. I find the wick lasts longer and the tank wicks better if I warm it up gradually instead of just hitting it starting at 20 watts.

 

[XxBLUExX]

By harsh do you mean burnt taste? I had an issue when starting a re wick or new coil the juice would taste burnt even if you primed the coil. I dropped the wattage down to 13 and it seemed to do the trick. Once it was consistant I moved back up in wattage and if it started getting burnt drop back down.

 

[kenjai1]

I have an Atlantis 0.5ohm tank going at 20W, 4.1V. Sometimes the flavor will be a bit off when I start it in the morning. I usually cover the airhole and suck on the mouthpiece to bring more juice into the wick and the flavor is right again. Not sure if this will fix your "harshness" problem.

 

[Penumbra]

nope... not burnt taste. Flavor is fine, its just harsh for the first few rips.

Man... this is f'd up... I appear to be some weird anomaly, that no one else experiences.

I just switched coils and cleaned out the whole entire device to try that mt baker blueberry again (the first juice that started doin this "harsh" thing), will check back in with reaction.

 

[NightSky]

A couple of weeks ago I ventured into the world of Sub-Ohm vaping.

I have an iStick50 w/ an Aspire Atlantis at .5 ohms.

I started with 40%vg and quickly learned how harsh pg can be with sub-ohming... so i have been happy with 80%vg +.

The problem is, even with this higher amount of vg, the first 2-3 hits are always harsh... the same burning i got with the higher amounts of PG... but once the juice warms up, the harshness goes away... is this normal?

Is it just how sub-ohming is?.. or how the Atlantis is?

The first time this happened was when i tried my first Mt. Baker Vapor juice... Blueberry 80VG, .6 % nic, 1-extra flavor shot.

I posted this issue on the Mt Baker forum but everyone was stumped... I then attributed it to the Atlantis... but still not sure.

Then, I switched juices back to the juice I had been buying from my local shop (Kalamazoo Vapor); but, now it happens no matter who's juice I use.

I wonder if my coil / wick needs to be replaced... however, I did open a brand new coil to try that blueberry... so I dont think its that.

The whole thing has me stumped, furthermore, it affects my enjoyment of sub-ohming in general. I wish I could avoid this harshness thing all together.

CAN ANYONE HELP!!

Thank you friends

I get the impression this might be your first sub ohm device, if that's the case 6mg/ml of nicotine is going to taste a lot harsher than 6mg in a clearomizer. You're getting bigger clouds at higher wattage, so that's just how it goes. You can always lower it if you prefer.

Also I have experienced it with the atlantis, the first few hits taste harsh. I think it has to do with wick saturation, so maybe exhale a few times then take some tiny inhales. If you're just filling it wait a few minutes.

How many watts are you vaping at? In my experience 37.5 is the sweet spot with wide open airflow.

Of course if you've been chain vaping for a week or so it could just need a new coil, especially with high VG juices it gets gunked up pretty easily. Buy a new one, make sure to prime the cotton with a few drops of juice on the sides and top/bottom (forget which) of the coil, and screw it in.

If nothing works, the device might just not be for you. Let me know if anything I said has been useful.

 

[Penumbra]

Just a note: when I keep referring to the "first few hits," I do not mean the very first few hits of a brand new coil... I mean the very first few hits after I have set the device down for long enough for the whole tank/coil/juice to get back to room temperature... so, say I take a series of 5 rips over the course of 15 min., then I'll set it down for an hour or more... then pick it back up, turn the iStick50 on, and THOSE first few hits will be harsh... till everything warms up. Then, I set it down after 5-6 hits or so, etc. wait for an hour or more maybe, when I feel like some "rips," the whole process repeats...

... if that's the case 6mg/ml of nicotine is going to taste a lot harsher than 6mg in a clearomizer. You're getting bigger clouds at higher wattage, so that's just how it goes. You can always lower it if you prefer.

I've done 24mg/ml and everything in between down to 6mg/ml... too me, it was no more or less harsh with all of those nicotine levels.

In clearo's I do 24mg/ml.

Also I have experienced it with the atlantis, the first few hits taste harsh. I think it has to do with wick saturation, so maybe exhale a few times then take some tiny inhales. If you're just filling it wait a few minutes.

With the very first coil-head and with the second when I switched flavors, what I do is sit there and keep putting juice all around that screen... I put some in, then wait for it to absorb, then do it again... wait for it to absorb etc. Then I screw it in, put the tank together, then put my finger over the air hole and suck in twice... then let it sit there for 10-15min. then take a hit... after all of that I am positive that it is saturated.

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How many watts are you vaping at? In my experience 37.5 is the sweet spot with wide open airflow.

between 20 up to just about 37.5 as well.

I find that whole range has been satisfactory... but still, as always first 3 or so hits are harsh on the throat till juice is warmed-up.


Last night, I cleaned out the entire tank to try the Mt. Baker Blueberry @ 6mg./ml. 80vg, and changed out the coil to the one I previously used with the blueberry (which that coil, I only vaped about 1ml. of the Blueberry w/ on the first day I got that juice... so that's all the use that coil-head had gotten)... but same thing... first hits are harsh till warm.. so maybe this is what sub-ohm vaping is like with the Atlantis.

I just utterly can't believe that no one at all has shared this kind of experience... where the first few hits are harsh no matter what juice is used, whether coil is new or not.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

Don't know if it's related, and I can't speak for MBV juice because I stopped buying it a long time ago, but I have a friend who used MBV religiously, and his order last week left him really disappointed. He said they've changed something and his complaints were similar to yours. Like I said, not sure if it's related, and would be surprised if it is actually, but just thought I would mention it.

 

[Penumbra]

happens with all juices though.

My other setup are not sub-ohm.

I have one EVOD2 dual-coil at 1.5 ohms, and a kanger t2 (that have the atty at the top, and the wicks hang down) thats at 1.8 ohms.

The juice i use in those is a 70pg/30vg w/ 2.4mg/ml nic, and I NEVER experience this "harshness" issues with them.

I am stumped mates. : (

 

[Msand]

sounds like dry hits to me. you could take a couple of primer puffs before hitting the button. couple of sharp pulls. then look for air bubbles coming up from the coil. Also, once you burn those coils. they are done.. you will get a burnt taste from then on. I also thought most reviews of the Atlantis state it is good up to 70%vg. then you will start dealing with dry hits.

 

[NightSky]

If your major complaint is that the first few hits are dry and you're sure its properly saturated, it could be physiological instead of a problem with the device. Maybe you just adjust to the temperature, flavor, etc after a few hits.

 

[Penumbra]

a clerk at the local shop thought that it is probably something to do with the iStick's Pulse Width Modulation... after that we all figured, well?.. I guess the problem is solved; however, after leaving and thinking about it, I thought, wait a second, if its the iStick, then why do I NOT get this problem when I use my EVOD2 that has a 70PG/30VG 2.4% nic. juice in it?..

If it was the iStick's PWM, then I'd imagine it would happen to any tank... so maybe it IS the Atlantis?..

BUT... on the Mt. Baker forum, someone brought up that perhaps it is just that my juices are too new, and therefore need to steep... cuz all the juices that I have used in the Atlantis are all no older than 2.5 weeks... since that's when I got the Atlantis/iStick, and of course bought juices with higher VG-amounts. Prior to the sub-ohm setup, I was using that 70PG/30VG juice I mentioned above that's in the EVOD2... who knows at this point... I'm just goin to accept it, and one day, when I buy a different sub-ohm tank and/or replace the iStick, I'll have changed a different variable and thus cancel them out.

thanks everyone for the replies and help

 

[edyle]

after a few fires when the tank warms up, pressure builds up in the tank, which pushes more liquid to the coil;

maybe you just need to vape at a lower wattage at the start; if the tank warms up and starts flooding the coil, then you raise the wattage; but if you start off at the higher wattage when the tank is cold, you might just be running the coil too hot.