Atty: Low Resistance vs. ohms

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ChandlerL

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Is there a direct correlation between these two?

Meaning if I see a 510 2.0 ohm cartomizer but it's not listed as "LR" is it still low-resistance?
What about a 1.7?
Or if it doesn't say LR it simply isn't-- even if it's a 0.1 ohm carto. iotw, is there a fixed ohm that an atty/carto becomes low resistance?

I'm new to this and so far heartbroken with some of the directions I've been given my various vendors so I've decided to work it all out myself utilizing the community rather than these vendors that should've known better how to help me.

-Chan
 

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Is there a direct correlation between these two?

Meaning if I see a 510 2.0 ohm cartomizer but it's not listed as "LR" is it still low-resistance?
What about a 1.7?

As long as it's 2.0 ohm or below its considered LR...

Or if it doesn't say LR it simply isn't-- even if it's a 0.1 ohm carto. iotw, is there a fixed ohm that an atty/carto becomes low resistance?

If it doesn't say LR it does not necessarily means its not LR... I don't theres a fixed ohm that an atty/carto becomes low resistance. Just remember that the lower the resistance the hotter the vape, and the faster it drains your battery.

just my 2 cents :laugh:
 

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As a new person to this industry, what I intend on doing is giving a complete write-up of what my experience has been so far in dealing with the various vendors and their products. I’ll be doing it from the atypical perspective of a pipe-smoker. I’ve never smoked cigarettes—don’t even inhale.
In the meantime, to answer your question and thanks for taking the time…

The problem I’m having (and I'll repost this in my larger write-up as well) is I bought a pipe mod that is a "mod only" meaning I have to supply my own battery, chargers, and atomizer devices. The vendor told me that the battery I had from the first mod I bought (DSE601) are fine but this other bat is better. Ok cool. I’ll get those. Your old charger is good too. Great. I’ll go and get a better charger—one that charges 2 at a time. The vendor doesn’t sell cartomizers (the website doesn’t mention that, it only says you have to supply your own batteries and chargers) so I need to get them myself and then he gave me a website of another vendor to go to. Gotcha. So I went there, typed in 510 LR and only one item came up. A Smoke Tech 510 LR Atomizer. I ordered a bunch of them and, since then, I've been lurking on this forum and learning a lot more.

I now know the difference between an atomizer and a cartomizer. What I needed was a 510 LR cartomizer, not an atomizer and y’know what? The modder did say “cartomizer” in his e-mail. Problem is, if I type his exact phrase in the vendor website “510 LR cartomizer” no products come up. It doesn’t exist on the website of the vendor he directed me to.

And there’s the rub.

I don't know what I don't know. Y’know what would have been better to say to a novice like me? "Hey Chandler-- get part #12345 at this vendor and you're all set. Don’t get any other part because it’s wrong and it won’t work." I would have searched for part #12345 and ordered it. If that part # didn’t come up, I would have went back to him and he could have fixed his advice. There’s another way. Get this part and then post an <html link> directly to it.

So right now, I’m hundreds of dollars into trying to stop smoking and as I write this I’m smoking my analog pipe because that’s all I have that works. Don’t get me started on that piece of garbage DSE-601 I started out with.

Just heartbreak…

Btw, my girlfriendd is sitting next to me on her computer puffing happily away on her Bloog Maxx Fusions and hasn’t touched a cigarette in days for the first time since she was 16. Why? Because that company understood I was a novice and gave me a solution. They asked her the questions in layman’s terms and translated her answers into a purchase we made with confidence.
 
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Boge makes a 2 ohm carto that's very popular. It's my favorite carto of the ones I've tries and I'm not really a carto guy.

BTW, I believe the "LR starts at 2 ohm" is primarily for 510 attys. Other attys may have different standard resistances that would change what would be considered LR.

Personally, I wouldn't go below 2 ohms on an eGo battery, if that's what you're using, for fear of frying the MOSFET and killing the battery. I've seen many people say they us 1.7 or 1.5 with no problems, but others don't have their luck.
 

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You are right on target concerning mods. Think Cobra kit car versus Toyota Camry. Mods can be excellent devices and most of them far out perform the standard kit, but they may not be standardized. They do assume a certain comfort level with components and may need some extra components to get going.

You mention atomizers and cartomizers. There really isn't much difference when it comes to the devices they will fit. A 510 is a 510, whether its a cartomizer or atomizer. The difference is that an atomizer is just the heating element and requires a cartridge or direct dripping to get the liquid to it. A cartomizer has filler or wicking material built in and is one self contained unit. For practical purposes, the cartomizer holds a lot of juice and vapes for a long time, while the atomizer needs to be replenished more frequently but may provide a better vape.
 

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Exactly Cyberwolf. And over the last few days I've been immersing myself in a vaping crash course. I'm familiar with a decent amount of acronyms now; cartos, attys, PCC, PT, TH, volts, tanks, feeders, etc. Watched all the you tube videos I can get my hands on, been reading ECF like a man possessed and am beginning to figure out who the faces of the industry are. The go-to folks that people rely on for good reviews, trends, and advice.

To all the above folks, thanks for replying. Remember my perspective will be different from most. I'm a pipe smoker ONLY. Never smoked cigarettes - I don't inhale. I tried to inhale cigarettes a few times in my life and every time, I coughed up a lung. It's quite comical for this Marine to be brought to his knees by a 3" stick but that reaction has never stopped. You’d think by now, through second-hand inhaled pipe smoke, I could do it but nope.

Kidding aside, given my profile, I can be somewhat limited in what I may enjoy vaping off of. My intention going into this is to never pick up my analog pipe again. Once I have a unit that works, I'll be fine. I did try my gfs bloog's but we pipe smokers, rhythmically smoke our pipes and the bloog cart burned out in mere minutes. It's not up to the task. No harm done, just popped a fresh cart on and away she went. It's meant for cig smokers and seems to work very well as such. I needed something more heavy duty that can handle being smoked like a pipe and that’s why I started with the DSE-601 because according to the reviews it was stellar. Unfortunately, and I know this now but not two weeks ago, these reviews are way out of date. I consider that device a “keep smoking analog validation unit” or more lovingly, “firewood”

So right now, I'm the new owner of a Jazz Cartopipe- except I don't have the right parts for it because of the above. The incorrect parts should arrive today (yep, they actually were shipped late). So there my Jazz will sit until the new vendor I selected reco'd by Grimm Green sends me a pack of 510 LR Cartos. To your point, I could use an atty with it but probably not effectively. Assuming the 510 atty is shorter than the 510 carto, it would be very difficult to get it back out of the pipe once it's screwed in without risking the integrity of the pipe.

P.S. I ordered the correct cartos (Boge 2.0 ohm LR 510 cartos) from the above mentioned vendor and then began typing this forum message. I just received a shipped notice with a tracking #. So they received my order on a Saturday, packed and scheduled it for shipping out today in 8 minutes. Live and learn eh?
 
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Yes LR means low resistance. Resistance is measured in ohms. So literally, low resistance means low ohms. It means an atty or carto is low ohms relative to the batteries it is intended for.

The problem is that What is LR depends on the voltage of your battery. For example, 510-threaded attys and cartos are used on everything from the 3.2 volts slim 510s and 3.4v fat battery 510s to 3.7v mod boxes and 5v high and variable voltage mods.

People will argue about what is too LR for any particular battery. If you use stuff that is too LR on a slim battery then you can damage the battery so it won't hold charge as well or dies. I would not worry about anything in the high 2's and very low 3's on a 510 slim battery. Fat battery 510's like Ego/Riva can definitely use down to 2.0 and I think some people may go lower.

BTW - yes a carto is longer than an atty

And some flavors that may or may not interest you

- Vapor4Life WOWbacco - their cartos are KR808D-1 but they sell the juices too. This is a clear liquid w/ a very dark taste like dark cocoa tobacco. Mostly dark almost bitter cocoa to me. I love it.

- Make a peach tobacco - just mix a nice peach like Backwoods Brew Preach with some plainish tobacco eliquid and it can make a nice peach tobacco. This even made my original "tobacco" Chinese PG juice taste and smell good.

- fix up a bland tobacco with FreedomSmokeUSA (chocolate) Orange Ball. The chocolate adds some rich body and the orange adds a nice high note

- FreedomSmokeUSA Cocoa (or that WOWbacco) are good for cutting the sweetness of too-sweet tobaccos and giving them a darker flavor
 
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ChandlerL

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Great flavor reco's. I have a number of flavors from eastmall (dekang), want2vape, madvapes and rawrvapes on the way but I will absolutely check out the ones you reco'd-- mainly because they remind me of the flavor descriptions of pipe tobacco and I bet you knew that. ;)

Tell ya what though, us pipe smokers, we go through juice like nobody's business and it's rough because I had no idea what nico amount to go with and ordered the first small batches at 26mg knowing that I don't inhale the smoke. Figured I'd need a higher amount to "feel it." yeah not smart, oooo headaches. I stepped down the nic to 12 for the latest orders -- still a guess though. We shall see once I get the cartos from ENS to try with my new Jazz Cartopipe.

Currently, I'm using what is likely a bum atty on this DSE601 and it's gotten real old real fast -- my jaw is also beginning to hurt. It's like being forced to drink milkshakes all day. The way the DSE601 works is that the top of the carts have a protrusion sticking out of em so when the stem is on, it pushes down the cart onto the atty. The trouble is the workmanship is so loose that if I held the pipe by just the stem, the bowl (w/ fixed atty) would fall to the floor. So I'm constantly having to push in the stem every 30 seconds while I vape.
 
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ChandlerL

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That's what I like about cartomizers - new atty in every one. I use attys for testing and cartos for vaping. Also manual batteries are nice.

Check out this carto E-pipe (which I know nothing about)
Jazz cartopipe the first Cartomizer Pipe

Already did-- that's the new pipe I own. Just waiting for the cartos to get here which, btw, ENS shipped extremely fast. From order to shipped w/ tracking # was 15 minutes (yeah, 15 minutes on a Saturday).
 

ChandlerL

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Y'know CBB, you're probably right and I was thinking the same thing. I've begun to consider non-pipe like devices that can be "sipped" on rather than tooted every 30 seconds.

MickeyRat: We do savor the smoke and the flavor. We relight twice, once to char then once more. After that, you develop a pulse-like rhythm where you shouldn't have to relight. I really don't want to have to drip every few seconds because that would be a dual hand operation. I'm a one or no hands pipe smoker-- and going to the manual Jazz cartopipe (still can't wait to vape it) was a big step for me. With that said some kind of feeder system is likely in the cards for me.

Great responses all around folks. :)
 
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I enjoyed watching that Jazz pipe video. I hope you like it!

I think maybe I am a former cigarette smoker who turned into a pipe smoker-like vaper. I don't care about throat hit and I have noticed that I am not inhaling very often anymore. I like to chain vape and I understand what pipe smokers mean by rhythm now.

That pipe would probably be perfect if it had a feeder. If it were me using it, I'd be pulling it apart every 5 minutes to add more juice.
 

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The definition of something being low resistance, and ultimately the vaporizing qualities you experience, are more or less tied to the power (measured in watts) being consumed by the unit. Power will be a function of your voltage and current, and your current is determined by your atty's resistance.

In this case you've got a 510, which from elsewhere i've read produces around 3 volts loaded (as opposed to the unloaded terminal voltage, which is the voltage marked on the battery). With a 2 ohm atty, you'll have 1.5A of current. That's 3*1.5 = 4.5 watts of output.

That's right in the ballpark of low resistance. As another example, I use an Joye Stick with a 302-style atomizer at 2.5 ohms. The thing runs at 3.7V, so my LR atty ends up using 1.48A of current, and about 5.5 watts of power.
 
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