Atty Manufacturers

[JustMeAgain]

Am I missing something or is every single atty made in China? Since there's so many battery mods and models like the Prodigy and Screwdriver, I'm curious about why no one (at least that I know of) makes an atty.

Since we can get the higher voltage batteries in the US, I'm wondering if there will be a day when we can buy American made atomizers.

I'm hoping someone is tinkering away in their lab on this....

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Justme--you have to understand that to make money with atomizers, they would have to be done on a high output assembly line due to their low price point to be profitable. It really is not cost effective unless done so in mass production which would take a major investment. And when you have a product that might be about to go though regulation, now would not be the time to invest.

We do have a Modder here working on some, but again, very time consuming.

Sun

See http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/35099-home-made-atty.html

 

[kinabaloo]

This is only really interesting for technical innovation. And in the event of a ban. In case even this forum gets taken down, i suggest a few people save some relevant info pages now ...

It is the nature of the atty - fine coil repeatedly heated and cooled, with varying amounts of liquid, that leaves deposits within hours, that makes atomisers variable in lifespan.

 

[MREXE]

Im thinking that a "smooth arc, of semi precious metals, would, a) heat faster b)vape wicked "juice" better, and c) last longer, due to concise tolorences in thickness and life projection........." atomizing has a lengthy history, this science has not advanced to any degree since its inception.........,TIME FOR INOVATION.!

 

[MREXE]

Maybe a gold/stainless 904 foil.............heat quick, slow retreat.......

 

[surbitonPete]

Other than by using a completely different technology, I have come to the conclusion that the atties as they are now is probably the optimum design and its very unlikely they could be much improved upon. Also when you do a breakdown of all the work involved in their construction, I think it would be quite impossible for us in the west to ever compete with the Chinese on price.
Our manufacturers are even charging a lot of money for battery pack mods which do not compare to the complexity of manufacturing the Chinese mini-cig battery with it's miniaturized electronics. I think if the Chinese were to stop trying to imitate a cigarette they could probably produce the kind of manual battery mods we prefer for much less than they charge for an atty!

 

[xirgot]

Don't the Chinese hold patents on these things right now? Might that be delaying outside innovation on these? Even if an atomizer were manufactured that worked on a completely different principle, I believe one that behaves as described by the patent, might be patent infringement. Don't quote me on this, though. If anyone has any further information on this subject, I'd be interested in knowing whether this is the case. Tons of Chinese companies have no problems violating American-held patents, but if an American company violated a patent held by a Chinese company, I'm quite sure they'd file a lawsuit in our courts and likely win.

 

[xirgot]

Other than by using a completely different technology, I have come to the conclusion that the atties as they are now is probably the optimum design and its very unlikely they could be much improved upon. Also when you do a breakdown of all the work involved in their construction, I think it would be quite impossible for us in the west to ever compete with the Chinese on price.

I'm not so sure this is the case. Surely reliability can be improved upon, and I believe many people would pay a little more for an atomizer that lasted longer than the current generation of atomizers do...

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Don't the Chinese hold patents on these things right now? Might that be delaying outside innovation on these? Even if an atomizer were manufactured that worked on a completely different principle, I believe one that behaves as described by the patent, might be patent infringement. Don't quote me on this, though. If anyone has any further information on this subject, I'd be interested in knowing whether this is the case. Tons of Chinese companies have no problems violating American-held patents, but if an American company violated a patent held by a Chinese company, I'm quite sure they'd file a lawsuit in our courts and likely win.

Xirgot---While Ruyan holds the majoity of patents, NJOY and several other companies have been granted patents here in the US. Ruyan did in fact litigate with NJOY, but the issues where settled.


Sun

 

[xirgot]

Xirgot---While Ruyan holds the majoity of patents, NJOY and several other companies have been granted patents here in the US. Ruyan did in fact litigate with NJOY, but the issues where settled.


Sun

Does NJOY or any of these other companies utilize their patented technology in their products? Do you know what their patents cover? It appears that Ruyan licenses its patents to other manufacturers, but that they all follow the same basic design.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Does NJOY or any of these other companies utilize their patented technology in their products? Do you know what their patents cover? It appears that Ruyan licenses its patents to other manufacturers, but that they all follow the same basic design.

X--from the pleadings, it appears that NJOY settled their litigation with Ruyan buy buying them out. So as for NJOY, it is the same. There are others though including the cartmizer type e-cigs that hold patents here in the US independent from Ruyan.

Sun

 

[kinabaloo]

... NJOY settled their litigation with Ruyan buy buying them out. Sun

Really ???

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Really ???

Really---case is closed.


Sun

 

[kinabaloo]

Really---case is closed.


Sun

You are saying that NJoy own RuYan and all their patents??

That's not my understanding.

Interesting link: http://www.e-cignews.com/items/Ruyan_hails_FDA_e_cig_warnings_as_good_news_in_their_fight_a

 

[Sun Vaporer]

You are saying that NJoy own RuYan and all their patents??

I am saying that NJOY and Ruyan came to an agreement to settle their litigation and NJOY paid Ruyan to settle the case in return for Ruyan refraining from any further litigation. I am not saing NJOY owns Ruyan by any means.

Sun

 

[kinabaloo]

I am saying that NJOY and Ruyan came to an agreement to settle their litigation and NJOY paid Ruyan to settle the case in return for Ruyan refraining from any further litigation. I am not saing NJOY owns Ruyan by any means.

Sun

Ok. just to be clear

 

[Kent C]

Ok. just to be clear

I got the same impression. 'by buying them off' might have worked better, 'out' sounded more like a 'buy out'.

 

[JustMeAgain]

This is only really interesting for technical innovation. And in the event of a ban. In case even this forum gets taken down, i suggest a few people save some relevant info pages now

Kinabaloo, I get the feeling that you don't mean this forum would be taken down by it's owner, but by some govt. entity. Am I understanding this correctly? If so, - and I'm prob being naive - but why would that happen where there are many other sites discussing activities that are actually illegal?

Not trying to read too much into your post, but since you relate it to a ban, that's what it sounds like.

 

[JustMeAgain]

Justme--you have to understand that to make money with atomizers, they would have to be done on a high output assembly line due to their low price point to be profitable. It really is not cost effective unless done so in mass production which would take a major investment. And when you have a product that might be about to go though regulation, now would not be the time to invest.l

Thanks, Sun...it makes sense that the need for mass production makes it less feasible than the battery units commercially available.

I did look around the atty mod forum before I posted that question, and the fact that there was a lot less activity (although no less interesting or ingenuious ) going on there than the battery mods that it made me wonder.

 

[trog100]

if a current design atomizer only costs a few dollars.. does the job its meant to what exactly is the problem with it..

the batteries didnt do the job they were intended to which is why they have been improved upon.. mind you i dont think some folks will every be satisfied.. people that were happy with real cigs that lasted five minutes want an e cig that goes all day without attention..

trog