Auto Battery Problem and Cleaning

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brandontrjn

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I have a ST auto battery (3 actually). I've put about 80 carts total through them and they like to stay on after I'm done with my drag. This burns up my carts and kills my battery.

I contacted ST about this and they said "send it back there's a nicotine build up inside". I don't feel like sending batteries back every month.

Any suggestions on cleaning the battery out? (small hole in battery, I don't know whats inside and don't want to dig around with a paperclip to find out)
 

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One thing I've done is to take a small piece of tissue, twist the corner between my fingers into a tiny point (small enough to go in hole), then dip the point in isopropyl alcohol. Twist again to remove excess alcohol and tighten the point, then put as far in as possible and twist around several times. You should get some of the stuff that way.

This is one of the drawbacks of auto batteries - you've got to be careful with overfilling with juice. Good luck!
 

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Sounds like you are overfilling your carts and the juice is going down into your batteries. The automatic batteries do not have sealed connections. (Not sure why). Manual batteries ARE sealed so no juice gets inside the battery. It will just leak out for you to wipe away.
I would suggest cleaning the battery connections often (the threads and bottom of the atty). Try not to overfill to avoid leaking all together. I wouldn't be digging in the battery if I were you. You will very likely short it out.
I think your vendor is being very kind and doing you a favor by letting you send them back. This is not a warrantied problem. It is user error. I would take him up on the offer but don't expect them to do this again. You may have better luck getting the manual batteries for every day use and keeping the automatics as a back up or for times that you want the liesurely vape that the automatics provide. I love my 801 auto batts. But I am careful with them and only use cartos on them.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. A few notes:

1. I only use pre-filled carts at this time
2. The juice will sometimes come out of the pre-filled carts. Is this normal?
3. What exactly is in the auto battery that makes it turn on when I take a drag?
4. Are there any "tools" that can be put into the battery to clean it out?

Thanks!
 

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Why are you even using auto batteries? They will get liquid in them eventually, which gums up the activation switch and then they are dead. Save yourself the cost and headache and do what the rest of us have and get manual batteries. No cut offs, sealed so no liquid can get into the battery and much better performance. And get a better model PV. You will have far fewer hassels.
 

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Why are you even using auto batteries? They will get liquid in them eventually, which gums up the activation switch and then they are dead. Save yourself the cost and headache and do what the rest of us have and get manual batteries. No cut offs, sealed so no liquid can get into the battery and much better performance. And get a better model PV. You will have far fewer hassels.


I use auto batteries because I don't want to have to find a button to push to vape. I bought the auto batteries because I was looking for the most analog feel to vaping as well.

What would you consider a better model PV?
 

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I use auto batteries because I don't want to have to find a button to push to vape. I bought the auto batteries because I was looking for the most analog feel to vaping as well.

What would you consider a better model PV?

Since the vast majority on ECF use manuals, the transition to using manuals really becomes second nature - helped along by the much better performance. Most of us learn pretty quick that we are far less interested in the "look" of an analog and much more interested in the "inhaled feel" of an analog. That similar inhaled feel comes with warmer vapor and more consistent performance. Those two qualities comes from better battery models.

With manual batteries you can start to heat the atomizer/cartomizer before you even inhale and hold it as long as you want so you get much warmer, fuller vapor. But the real difference comes with more powerful batteries.

The smallest (battery power wise) model I would recommend for a beginner is in the Riva/E-Power 510 category which are the size of a slim cigar. 5 - 6 hours on a charge and much warmer/fuller vapor than what you are using. And with manual batteries, there are no concerns with liquid gumming up the battery switch:

e-Power

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva UNC

Rule of Thumb: the more it looks like the real thing, the worse the performance.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. A few notes:

1. I only use pre-filled carts at this time
2. The juice will sometimes come out of the pre-filled carts. Is this normal?
3. What exactly is in the auto battery that makes it turn on when I take a drag?
4. Are there any "tools" that can be put into the battery to clean it out?

Thanks!

2. That can be minimized by holding a tissue at the mouth end and blowing through from the thread end. (clean thread end with tissue first). Sometimes with a fresh carto and thin juice, you can get a little seeping from the juice getting warm from vaping, but unless the carto is overfilled, it shouldn't be a problem. If you start filling your own cartos, just remember to take them off the battery, don't overfill, and blow them out before putting back on the battery.

3. It's usually a vacuum switch but can be a sound activated switch.

4. Not that I know of but I have read in threads of people using a couple drops of alcohol. (I'm not recommending that, just reporting what I've read lol.)

I went to the manual buttons and like them much better because I can preheat a second or so if I need to (2.5 ohm topcoil on my ego), or get off the button a couple seconds before ending a 5 second draw (same 2.5 ohm topcoil on my 5v PT), with no worries of getting juice in my batteries. I have the joye 650 ego and the 14650 e-power and love'em both.

But if you really like having an auto, some folks are very happy with their volts and 808 kits, as well as some other newer equipment. Smokeless Image Volt Review - The Chainsaw Test? - YouTube
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-vapes-beautiful-automatic-mega-fat-batt.html

edit: I forgot to mention - 2 things. try a little back pressure at the end of your draw, it might help the switch de-activate. Also, the led turns off slowly on a lot of e-cigs but it's usually less than a second. hth.
 
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I agree with WV2WIN...small autos are just asking for trouble...as you have already found out...you generally gotta hold your e-cig, so hold it where the button is...it truly is not a problem and very easy to get used too...if you just havvta have a ciggy look alike...poor relative performance and all, look at smokelessimage.com, bloogplanet.com, vapor4lif.com and MANY more...they all have slimline, manual batts in 2r3+hr range...Like WV, i say go with a eGo/Riva/KGO/E-power and open another whole world of accessories and gear...these have 6-12+ hr batts and are available from liberty-flights.com. hoosierecigsupply, madvapes and more vendors than I can name...if you look in the Forum Suppliers list at the top of this page you will find many legitimate vendors who will help you to get what you need at reasonable prices..........
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The best way I've found to clean the threads on an 808D-2 auto is by using 'applicators' I found in the cosmetic section of Wal-Mart -- they look a lot like Q-Tips except they're not as fluffy and one end is pointed while the other is flat. Dip the pointed end in iso-alcohol, wipe around the center contact, set battery aside to let it dry.

To those who've co-opted this into a soapbox for manuals: Get a life!

Cut-and-pasted from another thread (because I'm too lazy to retype it all):
Caveat -- I vape as an alternative to smoking, not as a drug delivery device, so my use/needs/wants may be different than many on this forum.

I tried manuals. They were clumsy and not worth the effort.

Also, manuals are dangerous:

1) Since most automatics now use air pressure sensors instead of microphones, they don't turn on at odd times. Manuals, by their nature, turn on whenever the button is pressed, whether it's because you're taking a puff or if they're in the back pocket of a pair of jeans, or dropped between the sofa cushions, or anything else that involves more pressure than a fat fly landing on it. Automatics need a cutoff to preserve battery life. Manuals need a cutoff to prevent starting fires. The common term is "hot pocket."

2) Whether automatic or manual, there's always the danger of a steam bubble forming on a coil. When it happens with an automatic, it'll shoot a drop of scalding liquid into your mouth, causing a small sore. When it happens with a manual, it sprays wherever the PV is pointed. There are no documented cases, yet, of someone losing their eyesight, but there have been many close calls. I can't find my bookmark for it, but there's even a video someone on this forum posted of such a bubble-burst hitting them in the face.

3) Battery explosions happen far more often with manuals. The causes are not well know Sometimes it may be because the button is activated when it's on the charger; other times it may be just because manuals are, by their nature, often more cheaply made than automatics. If you look through the forums for incidents and/or videos of battery explosions, you'll see that they're almost exclusively manual batteries.

4) Using an automatic leaves your hands free. You can hang it off the corner of your lip, like a cigarette, and vape without effort. A manual requires at least one hand, which means that when you're driving, working on machinery, or doing anything else productive, you're compromising control of what you're doing every time you take a puff.

Bottom line -- if you're looking for an alternative to smoking, choose an automatic. If you're going to be fanatic about needing a drug delivery device, you'll probably need a manual.
 

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Good try with trying to scare a new person with a bunch of BS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. You are in such a small minority on ECF with your scare tactics I won't even bother responding to your specific comments. Based on your greatly exaggerated comments, it's a wonder we are not all in the grave from using manual batteries.
 

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I use auto batteries because I don't want to have to find a button to push to vape. I bought the auto batteries because I was looking for the most analog feel to vaping as well.

What would you consider a better model PV?

I don't know what threading you have now, but smokeless image has a new drip resistant auto battery that you may want to try. those are kr808 threading
 

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2) Whether automatic or manual, there's always the danger of a steam bubble forming on a coil. When it happens with an automatic, it'll shoot a drop of scalding liquid into your mouth, causing a small sore. When it happens with a manual, it sprays wherever the PV is pointed. There are no documented cases, yet, of someone losing their eyesight, but there have been many close calls. I can't find my bookmark for it, but there's even a video someone on this forum posted of such a bubble-burst hitting them in the face.

Harry Potter's wand must be a manual!
 

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If ST is Smoketip it is KR808D-1 threading, same as SmokelessImage, Bloogplanet, Vapor4Life. The manuals of the first two have 40mah longer charge than Smoketip of the same battery size, are very well sealed on the threaded end, have a small partially recessed button but have a 5-second cutoff. The Vapor4Life manuals still have a hole in the end but it looks blocked off inside, normal size button, and a custom long 10-13 second cutoff so you can take really long drags if you want.

BTW you are using cartos, not carts. 2-piece ecigs use cartomizers aka cartos
 

brandontrjn

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Dromouse, thanks for clarifying. Yes ST = SmokeTip and I am using cartos.

I am currently using V4L cartos with my ST batteries and they seem to have only limited compatibility; I have to change cartos back and forth to get a battery that works with the individual carto (I have 3 batteries).

The main issue is that the auto batteries don't shut off properly and keep going until they blink. This happens with both ST and V4L cartos. ST guarantees the batteries for life however so I have simply sent the ones that have this issue back when it begins.

The main thing I am wondering is if there is a small brush or tool that is safe to insert into the auto battery and get any buildup out??
 
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