Awesome way to make Ni200 Coils

[Mroutlaw]

Been messing with twisted ni200 and this works great. It's 28gauge Ni200 twisted with 30gauge kanthal. Flavor is out of this world and gives incredible vapor. I usually don't use my Troll rda because I'm not a cloud chaser and it mutes flavor, but I put some 90vg Cereal Killa from 9south in it and all I can say is WOW. It's like eating fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA.

The Kanthal doesn't affect the TP since the current follows the path of less resistance, which is the ni200. I did a cotton burn test at 20watts set at 420 degrees and the cotton didn't even char. Hit Temperature protection quickly since I wasn't vaping. Heres some pictures. 6/7 wraps on a 3mm rod came in a .16ohms installed on a troll rda

 

[TheBloke]

Wow, good job! This is so interesting.

Just yesterday I ordered a big stack of wire, and one reason was to make Twisted Messes' Fused Clapton Coil. That's not intended for TC, but your discovery reminds me of that - because he uses 2 x parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wrapped around multiple parallel 24 gauge NiChrome 80 (for the low resistance). The idea being that the internal wire does all the work, while the outer wires (the parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wires in that case) acts as a juice trap. He shows the coil, without any wick, sucking up three or four drops of juice like it was thin cotton!

Your idea seems to be a similar to the base principle of that: have one wire carrying the power while another gets heated up secondarily and serves a second purpose, such as holding the juice. Maybe giving us the best of both worlds?TC but with an easier-to-handle wire, greater surface area, etc.

I had already planned to do Ni200 wrapped as some of the guys on the VF Clone mega-thread have been talking about 2 x Ni200 28 or 30, and one guy does Ni200 28 wrapped with 30. But wrapping Kanthal in there instead I've not heard of, and it sounds excellent.

I'm definitely going to try this tomorrow, thank you!

Have you experimented with other gauges of wire? Typically I have neither 28 gauge Ni200 nor 30 gauge Kanthal! As of tomorrow I will have:

• NiChrome80: 24 gauge
• Ni200: 29 and 30 gauge
• Kanthal: 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28 and 36 gauge
• Kanthal pre-twisted: 2 x 26, 2 x 28, 2 x 32, 3 x 32, 4 x 30, 2 x 32 + 0.5mm ribbon
• Kanthal ribbon: 0.1 x 0.5mm
• Stainless Steel 317L: 25 gauge

So I'm wondering what other combos might work well. I'll probably end up putting in yet another order to pick up the further spools I now realise I'm missing But in the meantime I'm going to try some other combs.

Maybe I'll start with 2 x Kanthal 28 twisted with 1 x Ni200 29, as I already have the Kanthal 28 pre-twisted then I can just twist that with the Ni200 29. (Do you think it makes any difference having twisted wires twisted with a third wire, versus twisting all three wires together at the start?)

 

[Mroutlaw]

Wow, good job! This is so interesting.

Just yesterday I ordered a big stack of wire, and one reason was to make Twisted Messes' Fused Clapton Coil. That's not intended for TC, but your discovery reminds me of that - because he uses 2 x parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wrapped around multiple parallel 24 gauge NiChrome 80 (for the low resistance). The idea being that the internal wire does all the work, while the outer wires (the parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wires in that case) acts as a juice trap. He shows the coil, without any wick, sucking up three or four drops of juice like it was thin cotton!

Your idea seems to be a similar to the base principle of that: have one wire carrying the power while another gets heated up secondarily and serves a second purpose, such as holding the juice. Maybe giving us the best of both worlds?TC but with an easier-to-handle wire, greater surface area, etc.

I had already planned to do Ni200 wrapped as some of the guys on the VF Clone mega-thread have been talking about 2 x Ni200 28 or 30, and one guy does Ni200 28 wrapped with 30. But wrapping Kanthal in there instead I've not heard of, and it sounds excellent.

I'm definitely going to try this tomorrow, thank you!

Have you experimented with other gauges of wire? Typically I have neither 28 gauge Ni200 nor 30 gauge Kanthal! As of tomorrow I will have:

• NiChrome80: 24 gauge
• Ni200: 29 and 30 gauge
• Kanthal: 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28 and 36 gauge
• Kanthal pre-twisted: 2 x 26, 2 x 28, 2 x 32, 3 x 32, 4 x 30, 2 x 32 + 0.5mm ribbon
• Kanthal ribbon: 0.1 x 0.5mm
• Stainless Steel 317L: 25 gauge

So I'm wondering what other combos might work well. I'll probably end up putting in yet another order to pick up the further spools I now realise I'm missing But in the meantime I'm going to try some other combs.

Maybe I'll start with 2 x Kanthal 28 twisted with 1 x Ni200 29, as I already have the Kanthal 28 pre-twisted then I can just twist that with the Ni200 29. (Do you think it makes any difference having twisted wires twisted with a third wire, versus twisting all three wires together at the start?)

I've done 28/28, 28/30 like I showed 30 ni200/28 kanthal and a 30/30.
Least favorite was the 30 ni200 ones. Flavor wasn't there as much. Probably because two few wraps.

I would definitely get some 28 nickel. The 30 is very thin and hard to work with. Coils are flimsy.

Here's a YouTube of me making the twisted wire http://youtu.be/dNBt-W4T75Y


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[tchavei]

I've done 28/28, 28/30 like I showed 30 ni200/28 kanthal and a 30/30.
Least favorite was the 30 ni200 ones. Flavor wasn't there as much. Probably because two few wraps.

I would definitely get some 28 nickel. The 30 is very thin and hard to work with. Coils are flimsy.

Here's a YouTube of me making the twisted wire http://youtu.be/dNBt-W4T75Y


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Do you ever blink?

Interesting technique btw

Tony

 

[Mroutlaw]

Do you ever blink?

Interesting technique btw

Tony

Lol. My wife says that to me all the time. Thank you


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[tchavei]

Great video nevertheless.

You should work for law enforcement. I would rat out everybody if you just looked at me and asked something like : who are your friends using titanium coils, spill it out buddy or...

I'm a wimp though so results may vary


Regards
Tony

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[TheotherSteveS]

Wow, good job! This is so interesting.

Just yesterday I ordered a big stack of wire, and one reason was to make Twisted Messes' Fused Clapton Coil. That's not intended for TC, but your discovery reminds me of that - because he uses 2 x parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wrapped around multiple parallel 24 gauge NiChrome 80 (for the low resistance). The idea being that the internal wire does all the work, while the outer wires (the parallel 36 gauge Kanthal wires in that case) acts as a juice trap. He shows the coil, without any wick, sucking up three or four drops of juice like it was thin cotton!

Your idea seems to be a similar to the base principle of that: have one wire carrying the power while another gets heated up secondarily and serves a second purpose, such as holding the juice. Maybe giving us the best of both worlds?TC but with an easier-to-handle wire, greater surface area, etc.

I had already planned to do Ni200 wrapped as some of the guys on the VF Clone mega-thread have been talking about 2 x Ni200 28 or 30, and one guy does Ni200 28 wrapped with 30. But wrapping Kanthal in there instead I've not heard of, and it sounds excellent.

I'm definitely going to try this tomorrow, thank you!

Have you experimented with other gauges of wire? Typically I have neither 28 gauge Ni200 nor 30 gauge Kanthal! As of tomorrow I will have:

• NiChrome80: 24 gauge
• Ni200: 29 and 30 gauge
• Kanthal: 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28 and 36 gauge
• Kanthal pre-twisted: 2 x 26, 2 x 28, 2 x 32, 3 x 32, 4 x 30, 2 x 32 + 0.5mm ribbon
• Kanthal ribbon: 0.1 x 0.5mm
• Stainless Steel 317L: 25 gauge

So I'm wondering what other combos might work well. I'll probably end up putting in yet another order to pick up the further spools I now realise I'm missing But in the meantime I'm going to try some other combs.

Maybe I'll start with 2 x Kanthal 28 twisted with 1 x Ni200 29, as I already have the Kanthal 28 pre-twisted then I can just twist that with the Ni200 29. (Do you think it makes any difference having twisted wires twisted with a third wire, versus twisting all three wires together at the start?)

Dont know if you came across this...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...al-correcting-dna-40-temperature-setting.html

Have fun!!

 

[TheBloke]

Dont know if you came across this...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...al-correcting-dna-40-temperature-setting.html

Have fun!!

I did not! Thanks!

 

[Phone Guy]

Interesting, kanthal and nickel.... Hmm

 

[bky16]

I've been doing the same for months now, and I like it very much.

 

[SteveAdams86]

Thank you for this! I tried it today for the first time and wow!

Ni200 was pretty cool for a while but for a while iv felt it was lacking in power and vape density. I also found using only using ni200 I would hit temp protection too quickly and my vape was underpowered. So I tried this with 32g kenthal & 30g ni200, 10 3mm wraps came to 0.15. It hits like a train going through your throat at 30w! Flavour and Vapor are huge and I make my own juice at 30pg 70vg and the throat hit is almost too much! So I went from being kind of meh about temp control lately to being much happier in just 2 tanks full but using kenthel with ni200 is defiantly a much better way to go. Thanks so much for your post and inspiration to try something out of the ordinary!

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[Denverizzles]

so i'm thinking of trying this out, but just wanted to ensure i understand how this thing is made.

1st layer: twisted ni200 28g
2nd layer: add 30g kanthal to the twisted 28g

this is how i'm reading this thread...does anyone know if it's possible to just do a single twist? For example, 28g ni200 and 30g kanthal? or do you have to add that 2nd layer?

 

[rflash]

so i'm thinking of trying this out, but just wanted to ensure i understand how this thing is made.

1st layer: twisted ni200 28g
2nd layer: add 30g kanthal to the twisted 28g

this is how i'm reading this thread...does anyone know if it's possible to just do a single twist? For example, 28g ni200 and 30g kanthal? or do you have to add that 2nd layer?

The way I understand it it's a single strand of ni and a single strand of ka twisted together, haven't tried it yet

 

[Denverizzles]

is it possible to use the same gauge nickel and kanthal?

 

[Steelgirl]

This is good to know. I have zero experience with ni builds. I have been using the pre-built kanger ni coils. But I have a new rda (2 actually) coming and bought a small amount of ni so I can start experimenting. It sounds like I screwed up, cuz I ordered 30 ga ni. But as I read these posts, I can twist it with my kanthal. I have 29 ga and 26 ga, and 24 ga. I may try the 26 with the 30 first, then go from there. My device I use is the SX Mini M if that makes a dif.

 

[GeorgeS]

I've tried Ni200 32/32, 32/30, 30/30 and 28/32. I'm vaping on 32/32 nickel right now.

Great flavor, yes the coils are flimsy however seemingly better vapor production over using a single 28awg Ni200.

 

[JimScotty0]

I've been doing the same for months now, and I like it very much.

Yup, me too and posting it mostly on the SXM thread. I started out with 26ga NI200 with 28ga Kanthal A1 and now using 30ga Kanthal A1. Been doing that for maybe 3 months now and enjoying the build on my Lemo 2, Kanger Mini, and even on the Delta 2. Last weekend I did the same thing with Ti instead of the NI200 on my Lemo 2. I have also found that using dual Ti coils really helps cut down on the resistance with so you don't need such huge coils. My next dual will probably be Ti/Kanthal A1 to see how that goes in my dripper.

 

[JimScotty0]

so i'm thinking of trying this out, but just wanted to ensure i understand how this thing is made.

1st layer: twisted ni200 28g
2nd layer: add 30g kanthal to the twisted 28g

this is how i'm reading this thread...does anyone know if it's possible to just do a single twist? For example, 28g ni200 and 30g kanthal? or do you have to add that 2nd layer?

I just take 2 lengths each of NI200 and Kanthal A1 and twist them together. A couple of months ago I did that with 12' and then wrapped up a dozen or so coils to be handy whenever needed. I am sure you can do it many different ways but the simple 2 wire twist works for me. One day I might try 2 30ga Kanthal A1 along with either NI200 or Ti to see the difference.

 

[SteveAdams86]

I made one earlier that was quite cool. 24g ka with 34 ni. I had a massive strand of ni compared to the ka and I was able to make 3 or 4 loops of ni to add to ka. Wrapped it up and it came out not to bad but there's a few little strandy pieces where the ni gave out before the very thick ka as you will see in my pictures. Wrapped all that around 3mm piece 9 times and came out at 0.1 ohm

This is my first one I made which was 30g ni & 32g ka. 10 3mm wraps at 0.15 ohm

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