Babe in the Woods with bad Bumps in my Mouth - HELP!!!

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Hi, I just started vaping two weeks ago and quit a 40 year two pack a day cigarette habit so, YAYY!. The vape I like the best is the disposable Breeze Pro menthol flavor which is a: salt based; b: 5% nicotine; and c: BIG MYSTERY about PG/VG Ratio. I want to mimic this flavor and hit experience with a refillable device and salt juice, but I probably need more like a 65-70VG, and the balance PG to stop the allergic reaction. I'm not willing to give up vaping as an option because my chain smoking was ugly, dirty, stunk up me and everything I own, I couldn't have friends over, and I already saved over $200 in 2 weeks.

So, I know this is a lot, but does anyone have any recommendations on minty/mentholy salt juice that is lower PG? or that I can customize to be lower PG? Any help on this is desperately appreciated!!

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Abbe
 

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It’s more common to be allergic to PG than VG, but both happen. There is also PeG, which is similar but not the same and has end-run the allergy thing with others in the past. Anything that uses a disposable style tank, which is to say more or less a marker pith is going to be almost all PG. PG is thinner than VG and works better in such things. Finding a PeG disposable or even a pre-mixed juice may be impossible. VG also has calories- a lot, which has to be kept in mind if you count such things. The stuff is more-or-less flipped karo syrup. The flip makes it not sweet and makes it not spike your blood sugar the same way, but the caloric content is similar.

What I would do in your place is get some PeG and make sure I’m not allergic to THAT. If so there’s still VG. You want kosher food grade, some flavorings, an accurate gram scale, and learn to DIY. It’s easier than cooking and your wallet will be shocked at how much money you save. It’s like an entire side hustle.
 
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Hi, thanks for the response! So, theoretically if I’m reading you right, the commercial disposable vapes are heavily PG. maybe if I went to 50/50 that would solve the issue? That’s easy to find…
Maybe, though less would be better. I DIY, and I found that most flavorings are PG based so 0% PG is difficult, but I bought gallon jugs of VG for the cost of a single 60, and I was making juice that was maybe 90% VG or so. I found the cost for a bottle of juice to be about $6. (Nic was the most expensive bit) It’s just better.
You can also get PG the same way to test with. It could also be a flavoring not a base you are allergic to.

PG free flavorings used to be available and might still be. I never bothered. I found exact numbers themselves weren’t that important. Ratios could be though and it was mostly what measurement was for.
 
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Oh bomber, I’m just so disgusted today. I spent hours trying to set up a 50/50 5.5% nic Jewel Mint (salt) vape. I spent money on a new pen, pods for both vapes with different ohms, tried .8 and 1.2 and the damn things make me choke and cough. So frustrated and disappointed that nothing I tried worked. I have two vapes, both vaporesso. The brand and flavor of the juice is most popular. So, I feel I’m without recourse and just went back to the disposable menthol that gives me bumps. What else can I try? It’s gotta be the juice, right?
 

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Most probably. Putting stuff in your body has many issues though.
Besides base allergies there can be flavor allergies or Metal allergies that can apply to coil types. Also salts are technically all different chemicals. “Nic salts” is sort of a misnomer.
This is one reason “nic salts” creep me out. The way you make a salt is you mix an acid and a base. Some sort of exothermic reaction occurs and because of that the compound is more stable. This is why nic salts were actually invented: longer shelf life.

TLDNR: why I think the term nic salts is BS
“Table salt” is sodium and chlorine. The reaction is supposed to be so exothermic it’s almost an explosion, and the result is real real stable. But it works with all of them. ANY ACID and ANY BASE. You can take unprotonated or“freebase” nic and drop some in a jar of apple cider vinegar and get a nic salt. It’ll taste like ... but it’s a nic salt. Nic is a weak base, so there are a whole mess of weak acids that work. Each makes a different chemical that behaves differently.
A common one is malic acid. That’s the stuff they use in nicotine gum. It’s the only one there has actually been testing on. It was NOT the one Juul used though. They actually kept theirs as a trade secret. Some of them taste awful, some of them are poisonous. And they’re all “nic salts”. I know a guy who is allergic to one of the common ones but not the other common one, so whether he has a proble, is random. He mostly just vapes unprotonated


TLDNR: why I think the word freebase is BS
it’s not really a freebase. Only sort of. It’s like that website “technically the truth” it is and it isn’t depending on what you mean. But freebase ....... had really bad press so the tobacco companies pushed the wording because even though they now say they don’t, they still hate ecigs and will lie about them. There is proof. Just because somebody says something doesn’t make it true. Watch what they DO. Don’t fall for the head fake. It causes all kinds of problems.

Like a third of humanity is allergic to nickel for example, so Ni coils can have problems. Most stuff is SS these days because it’s cheap, and I’ve never heard of anyone being allergic to it but I don’t hear everything.

I would put you in an RDA and a generic button mod because they’re easy to totally clean and swap stuff out of, so you have good control. and either move you to an RTA or a squonk ear later once it is known what the heck is up. Something with a squonk pin in case it turns out you really like the thing and want to go squonker. If you’re flush theres also Boro stuff. That tooo waits until it is known what is up. Maybe look at 3fvape and get some cheap clone stuff you can toss later if you want without feeling too bad about it. Also read up on DIY. My suspicion is that is going to be a thing.
 
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5% nic is equivalent to 50mg. Maybe drop the percentage of nic.
Hi JW, now I love vaping, a whole lot better than 2pks of cigarettes a day, but I’m noticing broken blood vessels and bruises worse than I’ve ever had. I’ve been doing 5050 salts of different brands and flavors at only 5%, as you suggested to lower nic from 55. Is it the juice? I have a vaporesso mod/pod 3ml pen and I go thru about 3ml per day. If you had to guess, what can I do differently to make the bruising stop? I can’t afford to smoke cigarettes anymore and frankly they make me cough and sick to my stomach now. Any info you can share on this is desperately needed and greatly appreciated
 

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Hi JW, now I love vaping, a whole lot better than 2pks of cigarettes a day, but I’m noticing broken blood vessels and bruises worse than I’ve ever had. I’ve been doing 5050 salts of different brands and flavors at only 5%, as you suggested to lower nic from 55. Is it the juice? I have a vaporesso mod/pod 3ml pen and I go thru about 3ml per day. If you had to guess, what can I do differently to make the bruising stop? I can’t afford to smoke cigarettes anymore and frankly they make me cough and sick to my stomach now. Any info you can share on this is desperately needed and greatly appreciated
Bruising?! Theres a new one. Bruising is normally trauma. Ive NEVER heard of anyone connecting bruising and vaping before and ive heard a lot of weird ones. VeryHeavy long term alcohol use and several diseases do that, but ive never heard anyone blame ecigs for that before. Lots of crazy stuff but not that. That is usually relaxing blood vessels or making them bigger. Thats what rosatia is. Nicotine is a known vasoconsticter, but that means it makes blood vessels smaller not bigger. It can cause weird problems but that sounds backwards.
 

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Hi bomber, well I do drink too but I’ve never seen anything like this. Follow me please, nicotine constricts blood vessels and increases blood pressure. I feel JW may be right when he says to cut back on the nic content of the salts. I’m for sure on board that I shouldn’t drink, but ideally I would like to do both without looking like a rotten banana
 

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Hi bomber, well I do drink too but I’ve never seen anything like this. Follow me please, nicotine constricts blood vessels and increases blood pressure. I feel JW may be right when he says to cut back on the nic content of the salts. I’m for sure on board that I shouldn’t drink, but ideally I would like to do both without looking like a rotten banana
Rosatia has nothing to do with vaping. Its all alcohol. You have to drink a whole lot for a long time to get it. It may have nothing to do with rosatia, I don’t know. The complaint is AFAIK unique. If there were a ton of people complaining of this one it would be a thing, but you’re literally the only one I have ever heard of. And l’ve been around here since 2008. As such the problem is unlikely to be vaping related. See a doctor. The internet is an awful place to diagnose anything.
 

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Rosatia has nothing to do with vaping. Its all alcohol. You have to drink a whole lot for a long time to get it. It may have nothing to do with rosatia, I don’t know. The complaint is AFAIK unique. If there were a ton of people complaining of this one it would be a thing, but you’re literally the only one I have ever heard of. And l’ve been around here since 2008. As such the problem is unlikely to be vaping related. See a doctor. The internet is an awful place to diagnose anything.
Well, I’ve given up vaping except for places I can’t smoke, I.e., my car. I am no longer grossly dehydrated and the bruises have subsided as have the bumps in my mouth. I have it the colllege try for a month and I really wanted it to work out, but I guess I just have a bad reaction to it. I tried a lot of different options and there’s always a new problem. I give up, and I’m just smoking again. Back at square one. Thanks for your support thru this experience
 

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Well, I’ve given up vaping except for places I can’t smoke, I.e., my car. I am no longer grossly dehydrated and the bruises have subsided as have the bumps in my mouth. I have it the colllege try for a month and I really wanted it to work out, but I guess I just have a bad reaction to it. I tried a lot of different options and there’s always a new problem. I give up, and I’m just smoking again. Back at square one. Thanks for your support thru this experience
Did you try “see a doctor”?
 


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