Babies, Vaping, and OCD

[spikku]

I don't know if I can go on with this lol...

My wife just had a baby girl last week. I switched from Marlboro Reds to an eGo Twist a couple days before then. The amazing part is that it worked, like a charm (well, with the right juice and gear...). vaping is awesome and as much as I loved to smoke my reds, I don't care about them. This new tech satisfies, and that's just... awesome.

My problem, however, is that I'm so damn paranoid about the eliquid that I'm constantly stressed. I feel like I can't hold her, make bottles, kiss her cheeks, etc.

It's all put away in a cabinet. I'm very careful about the liquid. I wipe everything off. I only vape in my office. I constantly wash my hands. It's so bad that I feel like the water than falls from my washed hands is dangerous. I feel like I have to wipe off the faucet handles (and do...).

I've read the low LD50 of nicotine is .5mg/kg. I've also seen an article about a woman who drank 1500mg, and lived. So, I'm not sure what to think about that. Assuming the lowest end at .5mg.kg, this .... is insanely dangerous around an infant.

So, I don't know. I am so excited to finally try a "quality" juice (Heather's). It shipped on Dec 30, and never made it. Working it out with the post office. Since then, as I'm running out, I ordered Blue Honey from Vape Dudes, and Strawberry Vanilla Cupcake from Ahlusion. So excited, but, frustratingly, wondering if it all just goes (safely) in the trash when it comes.

Bummed...

 

[happydave]

nicotine is water soluble washing your hands very well would pretty much remove ALL of it. and it will absorb into your skin rather quickly (a minute or 2) there is more nicotine in a tomato than what would be left on your hands after a thorough washing.

 

[happydave]

glad to see your very aware of the dangers, over kill is better than under kill IMO when it comes to safety.

 

[Ray D]

Keep bottles locked away as I'm sure you are.

Keep loaded devices far out of reach - just as you are.

Clean up spills and wash your hands. Yep, you got that too.

You're fine. And nervousness with a new baby is normal too. Congratulations on the arrival.

 

[suspectK]

I've read the low LD50 of nicotine is .5mg/kg. I've also seen an article about a woman who drank 1500mg, and lived. So, I'm not sure what to think about that. Assuming the lowest end at .5mg.kg, this .... is insanely dangerous around an infant.


Bummed...

There hasn't been humans to step up to the plate to find the LD50 of nicotine, but it's based on intravenous administration with rats. I'm sure it's still pretty close to that.

I have a 4month old daughter, and I just don't drip or use anything that leaks when I may need to handle her. I rinse my hands and try to clean mods that I drip with...

Congratulations on your bundle of joy and quitting!

 

[Rickajho]

Why yes - babies diagnosed with OCD should not be vaping. It only makes things worse.

First, congrats on the new kiddo. And the quit smoking thing too. You really don't need to paranoid about this - just take practical precautions. It's a little early now to baby proof the gear and liquids, but getting into the habit early isn't a bad idea either. Beyond that just don't mix the two up. Do the vaping and the baby handling separately and you'll be fine. When switching from one to the other just wash your hands. PV's don't react well to baby germs. And unless you have made a gloopy mess of things refilling or with a leaking device, the chance of transferring any of it to the lil goober will be pretty much non existent if you wash up any place you may have spilled it on yourself.

 

[Cupcakesparkles]

Firstly, congrats on the birth of your baby
You're doing everything and some to take all necessary safety measures and what you've done ie quitting, is the best thing by far you could do for your baby. I get the OCD, I'm like that too. I alcohol gel my hands after washing ALL the time! We have five kids, youngest ten months tomorrow so I understand the worry of safety with kids too. I don't do this in the house even though I've read there's no worry or danger of second hand vapour, just in case because in my mind you never know. You're doing all you can, I think hormones flying around everywhere probably is making you worry that much more, I know I was a nervous wreck with all mine especially right after birth! You're a fab mum because you're worrying, if that makes sense

 

[dice57]

Congrats on the babe and the vape. Welcome to the forum, it must be and extra special feeling being able to quit smokes and having a new baby in your life. Am sure once you learn more about both that the nervousness and paranoia will reduce to tolerable levels.

Vape long and Prosper!!!

 

[generic mutant]

An interesting read:

Keep out of reach of children

Bear in mind that General Extra Sterk is 14 mg / portion. Even if these were depleted, they still would have contained a significant amount of easily absorbed nicotine.

It's a poison, so you want to be sensible. But it isn't *that* poisonous - you gotta keep these things in perspective.

 

[happydave]

An interesting read:

Keep out of reach of children

Bear in mind that General Extra Sterk is 14 mg / portion. Even if these were depleted, they still would have contained a significant amount of easily absorbed nicotine.

It's a poison, so you want to be sensible. But it isn't *that* poisonous - you gotta keep these things in perspective.

"dose makes the poison" for example there is radioactive partials all around you right now. but its such a small amount it will cause you no harm what so ever. you would get much more radiation exposure on a 6 hour flight (@ 30 or 40 thousand feet above sea level) than you would from the radioactive partials around you right now.

 

[generic mutant]

On a lighter note, have you heard about the campaign to have OCD renamed Compulsive Disorder Obsession, so the letters are in alphabetical order?

 

[Rickajho]

On a lighter note, have you heard about the campaign to have OCD renamed Compulsive Disorder Obsession, so the letters are in alphabetical order?

(Umm... When you change the words around like that I think it creates a new disease or something.)

 

[spikku]

Thank you all!!!

This community is amazing. You're all so level-headed, sensible, non-judgmental, and polite.

I'll just keep on doing what I've been doing, and calm down about it a bit.

 

[Rickajho]

Hay! Where's the Gammie & Gampie in this picture? Don't forget they have rent-a-kid rights now if ya need to lose the 'lil varmit for a vaping time out! (Time out for you, I mean.)

 

[cocacola31173]

Im lucky where my kids are 13 and 17 so I don't have to worry too much about locking everything up. But I agree with little ones its a must! My girls joke and call my bathroom my "Lab" cause thats where I do all my mixing cause of my nosy cats.

 

[Bunnykiller]

If I read your post correctly, you just gave up the reds and just had the baby (congrats) so I may be wrong here but Im going to assume you were smoking while PG. If you were, the baby is kinda used to nicotine already....

lets say the baby weighs 8.8 lbs thats about 4 KG which equates to 2mg dose to be applied by the .5mg/kg ratio and lets say you are using 18mg/ml juice, you would need to apply about 1/10 of a ml to have an adverse reaction, that would be about a dozen of so drops of juice...

 

[Noble Gas]

I was at a party once, with a bunch of people I didn't know. My older sister's friends. Anyway, I was secreted away on the back porch having a smoke when a 3 year old girl appeared out of nowhere, ran right up to me and smashed her forehead into the cherry of my cigarette. She screamed, I ran to find her parents, I tried explaining and apologizing all over the place, it didn't go well. What I'm saying is, think of the alternatives before you chuck your gear.

 

[generic mutant]

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lets say the baby weighs 8.8 lbs thats about 4 KG which equates to 2mg dose to be applied by the .5mg/kg ratio and lets say you are using 18mg/ml juice, you would need to apply about 1/10 of a ml to have an adverse reaction, that would be about a dozen of so drops of juice...

Thing is, I don't think there's any solid basis for the 'received' LD-50.

Nicotine lethal dose in humans: a common argument by regulatory authorities, based on poor science

 

[suspectK]

Thing is, I don't think there's any solid basis for the 'received' LD-50.

Nicotine lethal dose in humans: a common argument by regulatory authorities, based on poor science

Is there solid basis for any LD-50, outside of hypothesis from animal studies? Even with overdoses of things we can't talk about, that isn't controlled and is hear-say information.

 

[generic mutant]

Is there solid basis for any LD-50, outside of hypothesis from animal studies? Even with overdoses of things we can't talk about, that isn't controlled and is hear-say information.

I'm sure there are many that are a heck of a lot more solid than that, yes. Both in chemicals that they've had more incentive to research, where they've used more physiologically similar animal models like higher primates, and in chemicals where 'natural experiments' have more regularly occurred in people - accidents, warfare, murders and suicides, drug overdoses both recreational and medicinal.

Toxicologists can work out pretty well how much a dead person has had of something. You must be able to model an LD-50 with some accuracy from that, if you collect enough data. With nicotine, I'm guessing, there just haven't been all that many fatal poisonings.