Back to basics -- are crazy coil designs and ultra-low resistance builds really necessary?

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For the past several months, I've been exclusively using mechanical mods with sub-ohm coils. I've went all the way down to the safe limits of my Sony 30 amp batteries. I've made dual coils, triple coils, quad coils, micro coils, macro coils, nano coils, parallel coils, coils with twisted wire, double-twisted wire, braided wire, supermegaultramaxicoily coils, and everything else under the sun. I've had a lot of fun, and made gigantic dense clouds of vapor that filled the room with just a few puffs. All the while, my old iTaste MVP 2.0 and VV 3.0 sat unused collecting dust.

A few days ago I decided to bring these neglected PV's out of retirement. No real reason. I charged them up and gave my IGO-L RDA a good washing. I grabbed my spool of 30 gauge Kanthal and snip off a few inches. Wow. It's so thin and flimsy. It looks more like a strand of hair than a piece of wire, nothing like the 22 and 24 gauge wire I've gravitated to over the past few months.

Ten wraps around a 1/16" rod later, the coil is mounted on the IGO. I don't bother with the multimeter, the built-in ohmmeter on my MVP will do just fine. It meters out right at 2.0 ohms....perfect. (Later on, I use the multimeter, it's actually 1.97 ohms. Close enough.) A few quick fires and some tweezing, and it's heating up perfectly from the center outwards. I thread through a tiny wisp of cotton and juice it up and she's ready to go.

I set the voltage at 5.0 volts to squeeze every last bit of power from the MVP (it will fire a 2.0 ohm coil at 12.5 watts in voltage mode set to 5.0 volts, a bit more than the 11 watt maximum setting over in wattage mode), and I prepare to be completely underwhelmed. I've been vaping on mechanical mods pushing literally ten times as much power, so 12.5 puny watts will hardly even get the wire hot enough to vaporize any liquid at all, right?

But it worked great. Of course it doesn’t chuck vapor like a super low-resistance coil on a mechanical mod, but it still produced a decent cloud. It is obviously a much cooler vape, but this is not necessarily a bad thing. Flavor was quite good, and the ramp-up was super quick. Even my < 0.2 ohm coil builds (with 22 gauge wire) on my mechanical mods take at least 2 seconds to heat up fully because of the sheer mass of the wire. The 30 gauge wire simply does not have this issue because it is so thin.

Even better is the juice consumption. I was going through 10 - 12 mL of juice every day with my mechanical mods. Using strictly the MVP & VV, I only use about 3 or 4 mL of juice a day, never more than 5 mL.

So what’s the lesson here? It’s very easy to fall into the trap of ever-decreasing resistance, and of building more and more complex coil designs, in the never-ending quest for bigger and bigger clouds and more intense flavor. But are they actually better? Does all this tinkering make for a more enjoyable vaping experience? I think that with a lot of the crazy coil builds popular nowadays, there is definitely some placebo effect going on. Does a zipper coil, inception coil, or fused Clapton coil really make more vapor than a well-made simple dual coil (or even single coil)?. Is ultra-low resistance and paperclip-thick wire the ultimate end-all, or is there still a place for higher resistance builds? Do you really need 100+ watts of power to get a good vape?

I’ve gone back to using my mechanical mods with low resistance builds, but now I’m also using my low-power devices with higher resistance coils right alongside of them. I’ve stopped worrying whether I am getting the most vapor and flavor humanly possible, sticking with simple yet effective builds, and I find that I’m getting more enjoyment and an overall better vaping experience. And in the end, that’s all that really matters.
 

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I've been heading down the same path lately. After reading these posts and watching all the cloud videos, I had to learn to build. I HAD to have a Lemo, a dripper, a mech mod, 28,26,24 kanthal, then I HAD to have Koh Gen Do cotton. I had to build dual coils, parallel coils, twisted coils so I could sub ohm.

It's been a fun and interesting chase but my favorite setup is still the Nautilus Mini on the MVP. I've dragged it through a harsh work environment, dropped it countless times, found it sideways and upside down in my jacket pocket and with the hollowed stainless tank it's foolproof and nearly indestructible. To each their own, but I agree that simpler is better for my needs. The coils aren't rebuildable per se, but at 1.6 ohms they produce acceptable vapor and flavor. When I vape it indoors, nobody comes running with a fire extinguisher, either. ;-)
 

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Don't confuse getting a decent vape with the hobby part of vaping. I make the builds i use because it's interesting and sometimes challenging. I also make coils for my vaping wife.

She just wants single coils at 1.25Ω, and i can wrap those on a wick and fit them in under 5 minutes. She has no interest in clouds - she just wants to vape instead of smoking.

I on the other hand, have quit smoking and even reduced my nic, and i like to make the fancy coils and all the rest of it, because i have no life because it's fun to try different builds in different atties and on different mods.

The good news if you are a new vaper, is that it's quite possible to get a decent vape for not a lot of money and without a degree in physics, using simple gear.

That was not always the case!

T
 

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I'm still fairly new to rebuildables, but I can already feel the temptation to "up the ante" with thicker wicker and lower resistances. I can understand the hobbyist aspect of it, which is why it interests me, but the more I look into it the more I think what is the point?
I'm using an eleaf lemo on an istick with a 1.6ohm coil using 32 gauge twisted (2 wires) kanthal (1.8mm diameter). Vaping it at 11.5 watts (4.2 volts), I really enjoy everything about it, so why try to fix something that isn't broken? I'm sure I'm still gonna experiment down the road just for curiosity's sake, but I totally agree that it is not entirely necessary to have some sort of an extreme build to have a good vaping experience.
 

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This is a great thread... And I'm in the same boat. I own 30+ mechs, 15+ reg mods and 40+ attys. Built everything out there from 22-32ga. Micro, macro, tricro, diamond, dragon, Venezuelan beaver...

After some serious head slapping, I've cut back to 4 RDAs, 3 Tanks, and use 5 mods, 2 regulated. I now build nothing but 28ga 0.8 ohm 2mm micro coils, and I've actually pre-built about 30 of them for easy replacement.

I'm happier now than when I was filling the room with smoke or buying up every RDA that came out.

But I agree, there is a difference between vaping simply as an alternative to analog, and vaping as a hobby. I got caught up in the hobby, and it actually took away from my enjoyment - and cost me as much or more than real cigs.

That said, I'll never go back to normal cotton... :D
 

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I split the difference.
Usually between .4 to .6ohm on 50w regulated mod (though usually set between 20-30w.

My go to coil is a parallel single coil. Not necessary with a regulated high power mod, but I like knowing I can swap out to a mech just in case, so the sub ohm single parallel build allows me to build a single coil that will still put out the power I want on a mech.

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Nice avatar OP. I'm a Sig p226 guy myself
 
For the past several months, I've been exclusively using mechanical mods with sub-ohm coils. I've went all the way down to the safe limits of my Sony 30 amp batteries. I've made dual coils, triple coils, quad coils, micro coils, macro coils, nano coils, parallel coils, coils with twisted wire, double-twisted wire, braided wire, supermegaultramaxicoily coils, and everything else under the sun. I've had a lot of fun, and made gigantic dense clouds of vapor that filled the room with just a few puffs. All the while, my old iTaste MVP 2.0 and VV 3.0 sat unused collecting dust.

A few days ago I decided to bring these neglected PV's out of retirement. No real reason. I charged them up and gave my IGO-L RDA a good washing. I grabbed my spool of 30 gauge Kanthal and snip off a few inches. Wow. It's so thin and flimsy. It looks more like a strand of hair than a piece of wire, nothing like the 22 and 24 gauge wire I've gravitated to over the past few months.

Ten wraps around a 1/16" rod later, the coil is mounted on the IGO. I don't bother with the multimeter, the built-in ohmmeter on my MVP will do just fine. It meters out right at 2.0 ohms....perfect. (Later on, I use the multimeter, it's actually 1.97 ohms. Close enough.) A few quick fires and some tweezing, and it's heating up perfectly from the center outwards. I thread through a tiny wisp of cotton and juice it up and she's ready to go.

I set the voltage at 5.0 volts to squeeze every last bit of power from the MVP (it will fire a 2.0 ohm coil at 12.5 watts in voltage mode set to 5.0 volts, a bit more than the 11 watt maximum setting over in wattage mode), and I prepare to be completely underwhelmed. I've been vaping on mechanical mods pushing literally ten times as much power, so 12.5 puny watts will hardly even get the wire hot enough to vaporize any liquid at all, right?

But it worked great. Of course it doesn’t chuck vapor like a super low-resistance coil on a mechanical mod, but it still produced a decent cloud. It is obviously a much cooler vape, but this is not necessarily a bad thing. Flavor was quite good, and the ramp-up was super quick. Even my < 0.2 ohm coil builds (with 22 gauge wire) on my mechanical mods take at least 2 seconds to heat up fully because of the sheer mass of the wire. The 30 gauge wire simply does not have this issue because it is so thin.

Even better is the juice consumption. I was going through 10 - 12 mL of juice every day with my mechanical mods. Using strictly the MVP & VV, I only use about 3 or 4 mL of juice a day, never more than 5 mL.

So what’s the lesson here? It’s very easy to fall into the trap of ever-decreasing resistance, and of building more and more complex coil designs, in the never-ending quest for bigger and bigger clouds and more intense flavor. But are they actually better? Does all this tinkering make for a more enjoyable vaping experience? I think that with a lot of the crazy coil builds popular nowadays, there is definitely some placebo effect going on. Does a zipper coil, inception coil, or fused Clapton coil really make more vapor than a well-made simple dual coil (or even single coil)?. Is ultra-low resistance and paperclip-thick wire the ultimate end-all, or is there still a place for higher resistance builds? Do you really need 100+ watts of power to get a good vape?

I’ve gone back to using my mechanical mods with low resistance builds, but now I’m also using my low-power devices with higher resistance coils right alongside of them. I’ve stopped worrying whether I am getting the most vapor and flavor humanly possible, sticking with simple yet effective builds, and I find that I’m getting more enjoyment and an overall better vaping experience. And in the end, that’s all that really matters.
I find that my best vape so far has been with my aerotank by kanger. I have the nautilus and hate it.

Currently, I'm using the aerotank on an mvp 2.0 and an getting decent vapor/flavor production. I did just buy the aerotank Turbo...used it on the itaste SVD (at max wattage). Good flavor but less vapor.

I'm currently in the market for a 30 watt box mod that isn't going to break the bank.
 

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This is a great thread... And I'm in the same boat. I own 30+ mechs, 15+ reg mods and 40+ attys. Built everything out there from 22-32ga. Micro, macro, tricro, diamond, dragon, Venezuelan beaver...

After some serious head slapping, I've cut back to 4 RDAs, 3 Tanks, and use 5 mods, 2 regulated. I now build nothing but 28ga 0.8 ohm 2mm micro coils, and I've actually pre-built about 30 of them for easy replacement.

I'm happier now than when I was filling the room with smoke or buying up every RDA that came out.

But I agree, there is a difference between vaping simply as an alternative to analog, and vaping as a hobby. I got caught up in the hobby, and it actually took away from my enjoyment - and cost me as much or more than real cigs.

That said, I'll never go back to normal cotton... :D
X15. Although it did not take me to buy as many mods and attys. I am close to half of your purchases. I am still eligible to be sucked into the next best but have definitely found my happy place. The hobby part has taken me into woodcraft modding which has been really fun.
 

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Vape-wise I'm perfectly happy with my standard-issue 0.8 ohm 28 awg coils in meshed gennies. It's all I've used (besides playing around) for over a year. Some might call that "advanced", but it really is like riding a bike. Once you got it, it's real quick and easy and probably gives you one of the most fuss-free vape around. I sort of chose to "step it up a notch" to make it simpler, if you get my drift.

Gear-wise I want something new every now and then. Thankfully there's not a whole lot of gear that appeal to me. That's the hobby side of it for me; trying out different takes on what I already love. Not so much about finding something better as I'm perfectly happy with what I got.
 
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I'll just say that between my tanks and drippers, I've tried every superfancyblowcumulus coil that's come down the pike, and I always end up going back to tight, neat, microcoils.

Some of the designs are definitely amazing in their ability to "throw clouds" (and burn through e-liquid, lol) but that's really not my style. I'm more of a flavor chaser, and I haven't found a real benefit in some of the more exotic designs.

Edited to add that even though I'm a sub-ohm vaper on my drippers, I usually stick to the 0.4 - 0.5 ohm range. Much lower than that (depending on atomizer) just isn't as enjoyable for me.
 
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Best flavor for me in my KFL is a 1 ohm spaced chimney coil on Japanese cotton....


I went sub, I went dual and I came back to single coil Carto replica.


I'd still be vaping carto tanks if the QC hadnt gone to .... and 1/2 the BM's dont carry the good ones anymore.

But I feel the same. Sane resistance single....No burns no worries and a clean vape.
 

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Same here. Built it all. I prefer the .7-.9 twisted 27 gauge on my Reos. Strictly for flavor. Other than that. I have my erl wrapped out at 1.3 and the orchids at 1 ohm. And I don't care what anyone says. It's tough to beat the flavor from the aspire nautilus with the bvc coil. I just prefer to build my own coils. My wife swears by them tho.

I have always been a flavor junkie. Do the lowest I have built out is .3. Knowing anything lower is just going to burn the juice. And crap the quality for more Vape. Lol. Not a sacrifice I am willing to take

Nice thread btw
 
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