Backwoods juice and steeping

[Resnemetan]

I've been trying several backwoods brew juices hoping to find a good tobacco flavor.
So far I've tried: Honey Flue, Bluebacko, backo, Maple Tobacco, and Smoke. None of them taste like tobacco to me at all. I really like the Honey Flue, and Maple, even though i can't detect any tobacco flavor.

I'm guessing it is an issue of steeping. I've been trying to learn more about steeping semi-recently I've read what I can find about it. My Bluebacko and Backo have been sitting in my closet with the tops and drippers off. The BWB Smoke has been sitting in a little drawer. Now the Bluebacko just tastes like blueberry, and the Backo tastes like flavorless. Smoke taste like something, but not tabacco.

I'm NOT knocking Backwoods Brew,(the only reason I'm specifically mentioning them is because it is the only juice i've had in 2 or 3 months) I just think I must be doing something wrong because I'm still not getting the flavor.
The only juice I've had that actually taste like tobacco to me is Vaperite's natural extracted stuff. Sadly, I can't use it because it destroys every carto in about an hour (as you guys probably know).

By the way, I'm using an Ego with low res cartos. One question that pops into my head is "Do I need higher voltage to get the proper flavor?" eh who knows?

 

[Mr.Mann]

I would suggest giving attys a try, personally. However, as much as I love BWB, it may just not be for you. As far as "steeping", go to the BWB sub-forum and check out the sticky posted by Whiskey, and written by the homie phorbin. That should tell you all you need to figure it out, which isn't anything to figure out really...Good luck!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh, if you are using low res, you should be supplying enough heat, though I AM NOT an expert of any sort on that type of thing. Low res on an ego should be enough to provide you with to determine whether you like the flavor or not. It may not be the best, but it is by no means shabby, at all! Once again, some flavors just don't "register" on certain palates.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

I'm wondering if Backwoods might have switched up their tobacco base. My most recent order has been steeping a good long while and it just doesn't taste as good to me as it used to. It kind of tastes more artificial. I'm not a big fan of their fruity tobacco vapes because it seems that the fruit component always completely drowns out the tobacco. That said, though, I think my favorite tobacco is probably Virginia, unless we count RY4 (God rest its soul) and Casablanca, but Casablanca takes a frustratingly loooooong time to steep.

I feel your pain and I've had the same issues with atty clogging natural tobacco extracts from Vaperite and Want2Vape. It's such a shame, because that's really the type of authentic tobacco vape I'm looking for. I've heard that Goodejuice (who uses natural tobacco extracts) has found a way to filter out most of the particles that kill attys prematurely. I'm going to give them a try when I get my next paycheck.

 

[Resnemetan]

You may be right Mr. Mann, maybe these juices don't register with my tastes.

Tezcatlipoca, let me know how that stuff from Goodejuice works out.
I would stick to Vaperite natural juice if only they wouldn't destroy equipment. I thoroughly enjoyed their Perique, its pretty much the exact flavor I want from a juice but I was so disappointed when I ruined a whole pack of cartos. I still have 2 nearly full bottles. Sometimes I fill a wounded cartomizer with it to get a few minutes of pleasure before the carto takes its last breath.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Will do -- I'll keep you posted! Goodejuice has a Perique, and I was planning to put that in my order anyway. I had the exact same issue with Vaperite's Perique -- it killed my atty almost instantly. I just tried High Brow's Perique with the same results. They really need to hammer these issues out, or at least include a warning. I loved Want2Vape's London so much that I just load up a clean eGo Vision clearomizer with the stuff and vape it until it dies. Not the most cost-effective way to vape, but I guess I don't mind paying a little extra to get a better, more authentic experience. My most recent purchase was a Bulli A2-TM rebuildable atomizer -- again, a little pricey, but if it fouls the wick and coil I can just rebuild it in 5 minutes.

 

[samwest]

I drip exclusively and feel that you can't effectively judge a juice without vapin' it with the least taste interference possible. Cartos although an amazing accessory mutes the flavor. Even different atty's can change the flavor. If Don would have changed his tobacco base you would have heard about it because that would have been a really big deal and chaos would have ensued. Good luck with tobacco; I'm still lookin' Good e-juice has nice tobacco and alien visions has a great line of tobacco.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

LOL! I agree, a shockwave would have been felt throughout ECF if BWB changed their tobacco base! Maybe it's my memory playing tricks on me or maybe my tastes have changed, but I'm using the same equipment I've always used. The juice does taste a little different to me.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I've noticed a drop off in the flavor of applewood though after having been through about 150ml now I think I had just gotten over-used to it. I have a full untouched bottle right now that I'm going to stay away from and go back to in about a month or so.

 

[rlh445]

I've been trying several backwoods brew juices hoping to find a good tobacco flavor.
So far I've tried: Honey Flue, Bluebacko, backo, Maple Tobacco, and Smoke. None of them taste like tobacco to me at all. I really like the Honey Flue, and Maple, even though i can't detect any tobacco flavor.

I'm guessing it is an issue of steeping. I've been trying to learn more about steeping semi-recently I've read what I can find about it. My Bluebacko and Backo have been sitting in my closet with the tops and drippers off. The BWB Smoke has been sitting in a little drawer. Now the Bluebacko just tastes like blueberry, and the Backo tastes like flavorless. Smoke taste like something, but not tabacco.

I'm NOT knocking Backwoods Brew,(the only reason I'm specifically mentioning them is because it is the only juice i've had in 2 or 3 months) I just think I must be doing something wrong because I'm still not getting the flavor.
The only juice I've had that actually taste like tobacco to me is Vaperite's natural extracted stuff. Sadly, I can't use it because it destroys every carto in about an hour (as you guys probably know).

By the way, I'm using an Ego with low res cartos. One question that pops into my head is "Do I need higher voltage to get the proper flavor?" eh who knows?

Every BWB juice I've tried hasn't ABSOLUTELY HAD TO HAVE steeping, but in EVERY case steeping has made them better. The Peach juice was peach right out of the mailbox and needed nothing. The RY4 in my opinion got ten times better when steeped, although was awesome right from the start. I would say the same for the Honey Nut Flue. Just a great vape out of the box, but vapes much better after steeping in a Stardust for awhile.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

i will agree on this steeping issue to a small degree...they maybe need a week to 10 days and thats only on the tobacco flavors....everything else is just in the user's head

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

i will agree on this steeping issue to a small degree...they maybe need a week to 10 days and thats only on the tobacco flavors....everything else is just in the user's head

You should see the look of disappointment on my face after I try some Casablanca that's only steeped for 10 days. That stuff needs like a month, minimum!

 

[the_vape_nerd]

You should see the look of disappointment on my face after I try some Casablanca that's only steeped for 10 days. That stuff needs like a month, minimum!

ha no it doesnt man...all in yer head

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

ha no it doesnt man...all in yer head

Okay jbankston, you almost had me convinced I was losing my mind, but I decided to approach this issue a little more scientifically. I just happen to have two bottles of 12 mg Casablanca of different ages. One has a born on date of 3/7/12, and the other has a born on date of 5/4/12 (21 days ago). I have two eGo-C's, so I decided to try them both out side-by-side on the same equipment. I used brand-new tanks, and the attys were clean, and I've vaped about 1/2 mL of each.

The main difference I notice is that the 5/4 sample is not quite as robust and full-bodied as the 3/7 sample. It tastes a little watery to me, if that makes sense. On the exhale, I get a much stronger sense of the "jalapeno" flavor that others describe in the 5/4 sample, and I don't really detect it in the 3/7 sample, or if it's there, it's faint. The 3/7 sample is overall richer, and the peanutty flavor is much more at the forefront in the 3/7 sample. The differences between the two samples are not quite as pronounced as I expected, but they are detectable. The 5/4 sample is good, but not quite where I like it, but bear in mind this has been steeping for 21 days now. It is a massive improvement over a freshly made batch, which tastes a little like dirt to me.

I know flavor does not necessarily equal color, but note the distinct color differences between the two samples:



My point in showing the color differences is that there are reactions taking place on a molecular level, and they continue until all of molecule A transforms into molecule B. This will effect both flavor and color, and change in temperature and exposure to oxygen will alter the speed of this process.

This juice undergoes radical changes, and continues to change. A buddy of mine has a bottle that's at least 6 months old, and it's even deeper orange than my 2-1/2 month-old bottle. Unfortunately I don't know what it tastes like, because he's been jealously hoarding it from me!

I know that we all don't share the same sense of taste, but I certainly detect differences between my two bottles of Casablanca. Phew -- not crazy!

 

[CaramelCathy]

Steeping definitely makes a difference. When I make my own juice, if it tastes good to start with, as the days go the flavor becomes more pronounced. It's the same principle as food when we marinate.

 

[Kemosabe]

i have to take a photo of my deeply steeped casa. its incredibly mature! the flavor has matured like a fine wine would. and its color is an intense maroon.

DOB: Sept, 2011

 

[the_vape_nerd]

Okay jbankston, you almost had me convinced I was losing my mind, but I decided to approach this issue a little more scientifically. I just happen to have two bottles of 12 mg Casablanca of different ages. One has a born on date of 3/7/12, and the other has a born on date of 5/4/12 (21 days ago). I have two eGo-C's, so I decided to try them both out side-by-side on the same equipment. I used brand-new tanks, and the attys were clean, and I've vaped about 1/2 mL of each.

The main difference I notice is that the 5/4 sample is not quite as robust and full-bodied as the 3/7 sample. It tastes a little watery to me, if that makes sense. On the exhale, I get a much stronger sense of the "jalapeno" flavor that others describe in the 5/4 sample, and I don't really detect it in the 3/7 sample, or if it's there, it's faint. The 3/7 sample is overall richer, and the peanutty flavor is much more at the forefront in the 3/7 sample. The differences between the two samples are not quite as pronounced as I expected, but they are detectable. The 5/4 sample is good, but not quite where I like it, but bear in mind this has been steeping for 21 days now. It is a massive improvement over a freshly made batch, which tastes a little like dirt to me.

I know flavor does not necessarily equal color, but note the distinct color differences between the two samples:

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My point in showing the color differences is that there are reactions taking place on a molecular level, and they continue until all of molecule A transforms into molecule B. This will effect both flavor and color, and change in temperature and exposure to oxygen will alter the speed of this process.

This juice undergoes radical changes, and continues to change. A buddy of mine has a bottle that's at least 6 months old, and it's even deeper orange than my 2-1/2 month-old bottle. Unfortunately I don't know what it tastes like, because he's been jealously hoarding it from me!

I know that we all don't share the same sense of taste, but I certainly detect differences between my two bottles of Casablanca. Phew -- not crazy!

I've gotten CB from Don where the newer batch is darker than the older batch i have. The stuff varies from batch to batch I'm sure, but I don't think "steeping" really matters very much.

 

[Resnemetan]

Update: My backo has been steeping a month now. I tried it today and it still tastes pretty much flavorless with a hint of chemical bitterness. Bluebacko tastes the same but with a blueberry taste on top. Smoke....well, I threw it away lol. I'm still digging the honey flue though because I like honey, but still I can't taste any tobacco in it.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever really had any positive results from steeping juices. I do it because everyone says that it makes them better. I'm not doubting anyone. I'm simply saying that for me it hasn't done a thing. I did have some Dekang that actually got nasty after 2 or three weeks.

 

[Ghostrider]

Why in the world would you leave the tops and dripper off the bottle??? Steeping means just to let it sit in a cool dark, dry place for a while to let the flavors blend....with the tops on and sealed.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

i have to take a photo of my deeply steeped casa. its incredibly mature! the flavor has matured like a fine wine would. and its color is an intense maroon.

DOB: Sept, 2011

I'm amazed that you let a bottle of Casa last that long! Did it roll under the couch or something by mistake?