Bad news

[Alien Traveler]

http://news.yahoo .com/e-cigarettes-10-times-carcinogens-japan-researchers-081638013.html

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Researchers commissioned by Japan's Health Ministry found carcinogens such as formaldehyde and acetaldehyde in vapour produced by several types of e-cigarette liquid, a health ministry official told AFP.
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"In one brand of e-cigarette the team found more than 10 times the level of carcinogens contained in one regular cigarette," said researcher Naoki Kunugita, adding that the amount of formaldehyde detected varied through the course of analysis.
"Especially when the... wire (which vaporises the liquid) gets overheated, higher amounts of those harmful substances seemed to be produced."


And what about low ohms?

 

[RandyF]

We already knew the juice beyond a certain point can and will release unwanted chemicals, that is not new news. It sounds like they are basing the largest result off one test of two specific liquids, of which they will not name, shocker. Those liquid makers could have been someone mixing them in their garage for all we know. Any scientific study can get negative results if you push the temperature beyond normal limits.

As for SOME sub-ohm'ers, they are pushing the limit for the sake of clouds, which IMO, just isn't an intelligent decision.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Those liquid makers could have been someone mixing them in their garage for all we know.

As far as I know about all current mixing industry is garage-based.

 

[Norrin]

If you had read the first thread about this study you might have noticed the inconsistencies. Hey keep posting bad info we can help the ANTZ.

 

[Alien Traveler]

If you had read the first thread about this study you might have noticed the inconsistencies. Hey keep posting bad info we can help the ANTZ.

Now I understand your point.
We should hide bad info to inflict damage to vapers.
Interesting...

 

[Zanderist]

I would viciously state that a tobacco leaf is stuck , while an ecig is subject to future improvement over improvement.

Forget what they say, they forget that the ecig can be improved.

 

[Norrin]

Now I understand your point.
We should hide bad info to inflict damage to vapers.
Interesting...

No but we shouldn't post multiple thread promoting it.

 

[Alien Traveler]

No but we shouldn't post multiple thread promoting it.

I do not see any other thread with the same initial source. It's a Thanksgiving, I am full of turkey and bourbon. Would you please direct me?

 

[TexasTanker19kilo20]

I ready that earlier.

What Ecig did they study?

Cig-a-like or Dripper or RTA or what?

What juice was it?

American or Oriental juice?

What control measures were used?

What nicotine level was tested?

What nicotine brand was tested?

None of that info was mentioned in the article, to me this was just blah blah bull.....

 

[RandyF]

I am full of turkey and bourbon

LOL, my next question was going to be if you were drunk.

 

[Norrin]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/sg-vapers/626717-e-cigarettes-have-10-times-more-carcinogens-japan-researchs.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/626784-e-cigarettes-10-times-more-cancerstuff-than-analog-says-japan-researcher.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/626934-japan-ecig-news.html

That enough because there are more threads on this BS?

 

[Alien Traveler]

LOL, my next question was going to be if you were drunk.

Nope. I am an alien. I cannot be drunk. I do not have hangover. I am not joking.

 

[Alien Traveler]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/sg-vapers/626717-e-cigarettes-have-10-times-more-carcinogens-japan-researchs.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/626784-e-cigarettes-10-times-more-cancerstuff-than-analog-says-japan-researcher.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/626934-japan-ecig-news.html

That enough because there are more threads on this BS?

1. Thank you.
2. It is not a BS.

 

[TexasTanker19kilo20]

Good troll Sir good troll.

 

[readeuler]

1. Thank you.
2. It is not a BS.

Are you sure about that? Did you read the paper, or just the press release?

ETA: also, love the link title - "10 times carcinogens". Compared to what? Cigarettes? Clean air? Margarine? I'm sure the link would clear this up, but since it probably is junk science, I'm not about to click on it (I assume the link deserves being broken to avoid giving it credence, but I know that's too much to ask).

 

[Norrin]

Are you sure about that? Did you read the paper, or just the press release?

ETA: also, love the link title - "10 times carcinogens". Compared to what? Cigarettes? Clean air? Margarine? I'm sure the link would clear this up, but since it probably is junk science, I'm not about to click on it (I assume the link deserves being broken to avoid giving it credence, but I know that's too much to ask).

I read the study and the facts don't line up with the headline, yes there is something in it that should make people think about what they are vaping but the headline is pure scaremongering.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Are you sure about that? Did you read the paper, or just the press release?

Just press-release for now. Broken links, common names... It's too late today for finding original article. May be tomorrow.
But anyway, vapers should know truth: it is possible to inhale a nasty stuff when you are not carefull.
Bluntly dismiss this possibility is just stupid.

 

[WharfRat1976]

It's the Japanese trying to hurt the Chinese. Unsubstantiated BS...

 

[The Torch]

Throw tap water at a red hotplate or plain stove element and you'll get traces of chemicals, including carcinogens (there's a lot more crap than you can imagine in tap water, they just can't test for everything and I can vouch for it, as I work in a lab myself).

If you had any idea how many chemicals are actually even added to food you buy at the grocery store, you'd probably be out in the street yelling "hang them all!". Even the receipts we get from stores are poisonous to touch, yet we still live.

How many people die of cancer and yet never even smoked? It's just too easy to make numbers lie, but knowing what is the ultimate truth is the hardest thing to achieve.

Feel free to quit vaping if you like, I know I'm feeling a lot better with my vape than I'd feel if I ended up reverting to smokes abd there are a lot of testimonials that don't require numbers to back that up.

 

[Norrin]

Just press-release for now. Broken links, common names... It's too late today for finding original article. May be tomorrow.
But anyway, vapers should know truth: it is possible to inhale a nasty stuff when you are not carefull.
Bluntly dismiss this possibility is just stupid.

But I can bluntly dismiss it because I have read it and understand what it suggests. It has to do with which e-liquid you use and since
1 - They don't even state who made any of it
2 - It was done in Japan
3 - The sample was too small to be scientifically valid
4 - I know what is in every e-liquid I vape.

It doesn't apply to me and I would think most users. It was probably (guessing here, just like the "scientists" who did the study) that is was prefilled cartos which I have never used.