Bad Nicotine

[crxess]

I respectfully disagree with not shaking your nic base. You want to shake it to make sure it is properly mixed equally especially if using a higher concentration. Think about if you should happen to buy a liter of 100mg nic base which you are wanting to separate into several smaller bottles for storage. You want to make sure it is thoroughly mixed so that each bottle is as consistant as the next. If you didn't one bottle might not have any nic in it and the other bottle might have way to much which could cause problems not only when mixing but also when vaping. You don't want to vape 36mg thinking you have mixed 6mg. That's just my opinion. To each his own but I will always shake. As far as introducing oxygen into the mix...there is no more oxygen that's going to be introduced than what's already in the bottle, especially if you open it, and if you are using it anyway agitation is going to happen not matter if you shake it or not. The only way to minimize oxidation is to tightly seal the bottles, freeze, and do not disturb the bottles until you are ready to use. Oh...and keep away from light. Light, heat, and oxygen are your worst enemy when it comes to nicotine degradation especially during long term storage.

.............and that would be a ONE TIME deal as opposed to someone thinking they can just shake and use from the Liter bottle as needed.
Sloshing does mix and reduces aerating before separating into smaller containers.
*nic will not FREEZE in a standard home freezer
*Glass is the container of choice for long term storage - Amber or Cobalt

**** Best to Seperate right after Receiving. Postal System has mixed it well for you.

 

[mudmanc4]

On the first use, maybe. But not for me. If the original mix was not done properly sure. Then again, I might steer away from places that don't properly and uniformly mix their product. Or those who drop nic in a litre then VG/PG, strange that any kind of mass supplier would do such a thing, and not mix standard MG in a larger container. Then test, and transport to smaller shipping bottles. Thats just my take on it.

As far as oxygen getting into the nic solution. I think about how much water VG itself absorbs, which therein contain oxygen. So each time the bottle is opened, air, containing water vapor containing oxygen will enter. Considering 99.9% of all users are getting heavily reduced nic in VG/PG suspension. Now this degradation might be negligible in terms of perception, none the less.

Here is an example, good or bad, non the less my personal experience.

I for a time obtained a good bit of nic in liters, just prior to this, obtained dozens of 125ml 6% nic. Now some to this day have never been opened, speaking of the litres right now, and are oxidised as it will do the 'stronger' the nic solution is.

In another experience, several of the 125ml bottles, still sealed to this minute, have somehow been 'filled to the top' or have absorbed water vapor through the sealed lid and wrap. I opened one to have it dribble out. Now there is no majic bean man that teleported into the bottle and added liquid of some sort. /satire However the bottle is more full than it was when it was sealed and sent. This can only mean the seal is no longer of value, and the VG is absorbing oxygenated water molecules through water vapor in the ambient.
We did not freeze nic as some do now. fyi

 

[Alien Traveler]

AI get it from Wizard Labs in 100mg strength. it says shame before first use.

Really? OK, I'll try...

 

[mudmanc4]

Really? OK, I'll try...

Public shaming of nic is a requirement prior to usage, where have you been?

had to do it man sorry

 

[Alien Traveler]

I respectfully disagree with not shaking your nic base.

And I respectfully disagree with shaking nic base, but only theoretically. Since nic is miscible with PG and VG it should stay mixed, no separation, no need to shake. On practice I did shake my nic upon receiving. Shacked and felt myself such an idiot, but continued shaking...

 

[mudmanc4]

And I respectfully disagree with shaking nic base, but only theoretically. Since nic is miscible with PG and VG it should stay mixed, no separation, no need to shake. On practice I did shake my nic upon receiving. Shacked and felt myself such an idiot, but continued shaking...

Ok so he shamed it, your shaking up with it, who's gonna be the one who shagged it?
Sorry but damn haha

 

[oplholik]

On the first use, maybe. But not for me. If the original mix was not done properly sure. Then again, I might steer away from places that don't properly and uniformly mix their product. Or those who drop nic in a litre then VG/PG, strange that any kind of mass supplier would do such a thing, and not mix standard MG in a larger container. Then test, and transport to smaller shipping bottles. Thats just my take on it.

As far as oxygen getting into the nic solution. I think about how much water VG itself absorbs, which therein contain oxygen. So each time the bottle is opened, air, containing water vapor containing oxygen will enter. Considering 99.9% of all users are getting heavily reduced nic in VG/PG suspension. Now this degradation might be negligible in terms of perception, none the less.

Here is an example, good or bad, non the less my personal experience.

I for a time obtained a good bit of nic in liters, just prior to this, obtained dozens of 125ml 6% nic. Now some to this day have never been opened, speaking of the litres right now, and are oxidised as it will do the 'stronger' the nic solution is.

In another experience, several of the 125ml bottles, still sealed to this minute, have somehow been 'filled to the top' or have absorbed water vapor through the sealed lid and wrap. I opened one to have it dribble out. Now there is no majic bean man that teleported into the bottle and added liquid of some sort. /satire However the bottle is more full than it was when it was sealed and sent. This can only mean the seal is no longer of value, and the VG is absorbing oxygenated water molecules through water vapor in the ambient.
We did not freeze nic as some do now. fyi

Were these bottles put in the freezer? I'm not clear on that. Nic/pg/vg will expand when put in the freezer. When brought out and returned to room temp. it will return to the original fill point.

 

[mudmanc4]

Were these bottles put in the freezer? I'm not clear on that. Nic/pg/vg will expand when put in the freezer. When brought out and returned to room temp. it will return to the original fill point.

No, we just stored them in the pantry. Dark cool and stable temperature year round.
Some of them would 'pucker up' other just stay as they were. Darken a bit and that's it. No flavor difference, perceptually the same strength as well.

The 125ml bottles just discolored from oxygenation, and still , clean flavor to this day.

 

[crxess]

This can only mean the seal is no longer of value, and the VG is absorbing oxygenated water molecules through water vapor in the ambient.
We did not freeze nic as some do now. fyi

Plastic or Glass?

Maybe the bottle fairy shrunk it

Not more nic, less container

 

[mudmanc4]

Plastic or Glass?

Maybe the bottle fairy shrunk it

Not more nic, less container

Right, I might be ignorant but...... see ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever. lol

The bottles that are overfull, are semi hard cobalt blue (plastic) PETE , not shrunk up see?

 

[EverPresentNoob]

Ok so he shamed it, your shaking up with it, who's gonna be the one who shagged it?
Sorry but damn haha

Ill shame it, Shake it when I first get it, but there aint no way in heck Im gonna be the one to SHAG it!

EPN on making DIY juice... Gets out recipe book. sets out flavors in the order to be used. sets out VG and PG bottles. Rinses and dries bottle to put mixed juice in. rinses out and dries beaker to mix in. Pulls Nic base from the freezer, "Bad nic! your worthless! Just lounging in the freezer! Get a job! Do something with your life!" Proceeds to mix juice....

 

[kaahn]

On the first use, maybe. But not for me. If the original mix was not done properly sure. Then again, I might steer away from places that don't properly and uniformly mix their product. Or those who drop nic in a litre then VG/PG, strange that any kind of mass supplier would do such a thing, and not mix standard MG in a larger container. Then test, and transport to smaller shipping bottles. Thats just my take on it.

As far as oxygen getting into the nic solution. I think about how much water VG itself absorbs, which therein contain oxygen. So each time the bottle is opened, air, containing water vapor containing oxygen will enter. Considering 99.9% of all users are getting heavily reduced nic in VG/PG suspension. Now this degradation might be negligible in terms of perception, none the less.

Here is an example, good or bad, non the less my personal experience.

I for a time obtained a good bit of nic in liters, just prior to this, obtained dozens of 125ml 6% nic. Now some to this day have never been opened, speaking of the litres right now, and are oxidised as it will do the 'stronger' the nic solution is.

In another experience, several of the 125ml bottles, still sealed to this minute, have somehow been 'filled to the top' or have absorbed water vapor through the sealed lid and wrap. I opened one to have it dribble out. Now there is no majic bean man that teleported into the bottle and added liquid of some sort. /satire However the bottle is more full than it was when it was sealed and sent. This can only mean the seal is no longer of value, and the VG is absorbing oxygenated water molecules through water vapor in the ambient.
We did not freeze nic as some do now. fyi

Whether you freeze or keep in a refrigerator you will need to let the solution come to room temperature before opening or condensation will form on the inside of your container further degrading your nic solution. Also as far as the liters and 6% you purchased...if they were in plastic oxygen could permiate the bottle itself, as you eluded to by saying the seal is no longer of value, therefore degrading the nic and possibly cause moisture over time. That might be your majic bean man. Always transfer to glass if at all possible. I go a step further and seal all my caps with Teflon tape. Nicotine strength has nothing to do with it as long as the bottles are properly sealed, stored, and is good nicotine. I've heard folks that have cracked open a bottle of frozen 100% nic solution 5years old, properly stored, and it was just as clean as the day it was purchased.

 

[mattiem]

I opened a 500ml bottle of 48mg in pg purchased from myfreedomsmokes May 2013. Stored in my freezer, amber glass bottle wrapped in aluminum foil, then bubble wrap and then sealed inside an food saver bag with all air removed. It was just as clear and fresh as it was the day I received it. I allowed it to come to room temperature then transferred it to 60ml glass bottles. I kept 2 of them out and the rest of them are back in the freezer. I expect them to still be fresh and clear when I am ready to take them out one at a time. If taken care of properly your nic should be good for many many years.

 

[crxess]

Right, I might be ignorant but...... see ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever. lol

The bottles that are overfull, are semi hard cobalt blue (plastic) PETE , not shrunk up see?

It was a Joke

I understand the need to take precautions.
That is why mine is transferred to sealed Glass, bagged and placed in the freezer. Even then, it only minimizes issues.

Touchy threads day

 

[mudmanc4]

It was a Joke

I understand the need to take precautions.
That is why mine is transferred to sealed Glass, bagged and placed in the freezer. Even then, it only minimizes issues.

Touchy threads day

Right, it's sometimes difficult to convey in text. Hence why I attempted the comedy myself, with the ignorance/ stupid 'thing'. It's fine man

Though I never intended to store the nic, it just worked out that way. Or I would have grabbed a few glass bostons.

 

[EverPresentNoob]

Imma just gonna leave this here...

 

[YoursTruli]

I opened a 500ml bottle of 48mg in pg purchased from myfreedomsmokes May 2013. Stored in my freezer, amber glass bottle wrapped in aluminum foil, then bubble wrap and then sealed inside an food saver bag with all air removed. It was just as clear and fresh as it was the day I received it. I allowed it to come to room temperature then transferred it to 60ml glass bottles. I kept 2 of them out and the rest of them are back in the freezer. I expect them to still be fresh and clear when I am ready to take them out one at a time. If taken care of properly your nic should be good for many many years.

I have always wondered if it was ok to re-freeze nic once you took it out of the freezer and let it come to room temp. Even though I split mine down into 50ml glass bottles and 4 - 15m glass bottles, I use so little at a time I would like to take the 50ml and continue to split it down into 15 ml bottles keep 1 out and re-freeze the rest but I am not sure about re-freezing?

 

[VHRB2014]

Ok so he shamed it, your shaking up with it, who's gonna be the one who shagged it?
Sorry but damn haha

OUCH!
Thats gonna burn.

 

[mattiem]

I have always wondered if it was ok to re-freeze nic once you took it out of the freezer and let it come to room temp. Even though I split mine down into 50ml glass bottles and 4 - 15m glass bottles, I use so little at a time I would like to take the 50ml and continue to split it down into 15 ml bottles keep 1 out and re-freeze the rest but I am not sure about re-freezing?

I can't imagine why it would be a problem as long as you let it come to room temp before opening. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will pop in and let us know if they have refrozen theirs. It will be a while before I pull out any of the bottles that I refroze. I really don't expect any kind of problem though.

 

[MatchHead]

Are you use to what you are vaping? Or has something there changed recently? Like switching from a Ego to a RDA, or you have`nt been not vaping for long? Is this your first time making juice?
The two most common signs of being over nic`d are headaches and or sour/sick stomach.

Nothing new. Been vaping this mix for quite some time.

You never want to shake nic.
For one, there is no reason to do so, as the nic stays in suspension very well. Secondly shaking will introduce oxygen which is detrimental to nicotine.

I would side on those saying your vaping too high mg. Hence the headache. Freedom smokes has and has had some of the best/ cleanest nic available. Highly doubtful there is a mislabel from them, they were one of the first to create more awareness of the content and details on labels and datasheets.

To add, if you have been using pre made juices, with an RDA they should be roughly 1-3mg, freedom smokes is the real deal, so learn to mix properly, it takes surprisingly very little nic to reach 1-3mg NEVER vape straight nic, of any mg

My FreedomSmokes bottle says to shake it.
Same mg I've been vaping for a couple of years (8mg).

If you've read my thread 'DIY Disaster' in the DIY Liquid section, you'll no I've had more than my fair share of bad ingredients recently.

I now test the nic level of all my nic bases, no matter who the vendor is.

It's not the whole solution as you can still have contaminants in the nic base that are unwanted, but at least you know the nic levels are correct.

I haven't found a method to test the PG or VG beyond vaping a little of each straight in a dripper to ensure it tastes right, before mixing any batches. So I now do this as a matter of course.

The best solution I've found so far is to buy all my ingredients from one of the big brand name suppliers, and don't cut corners for cost saving.

I'm very happy with my current US supplier and won't be changing.

Its a shame that it comes to this.

Thanks everyone for the input. I will keep investigating.