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"Banned e-cigarettes on sale in Regina stores"

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vise

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Unfortunately, there is still the mindset in society (at least for the most part anyway) that if it's on TV or in the newspapers, it must be true. This mindset needs to change, and it's only through education (through sites like this) that it will ever change. Let's help get the word out people. It's time to open up some eyes.
 

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Gasp!

Go and check out the article and make your thoughts known to CBC!

Banned e-cigarettes on sale in Regina stores - Health - CBC News

Banned e-cigarettes on sale in Regina stores - Health - CBC News

Your article states the FDA has banned electronic cigarettes, this is absolutely incorrect. The FDA regulates them as a Tobacco product in the US. I'm not sure where you are getting your information but a simple search in this day in age via the WWW would have shown this to the author of the article. I demand a retraction and apology for poor journalism and actually publishing a now known lie. As e-cigarette users in Canada fight for Health Canada to agree with the FDA and European Health bodies regarding this effective tool for quitting cigarettes we do not need mainstream media spouting lies.


"The Agency intends to propose a regulation that would extend the Agency’s “tobacco product” authorities in Chapter IX of the FD&C Act, which currently only apply to certain specifically enumerated “tobacco products,” to other categories of tobacco products that meet the statutory definition of “tobacco product” in Section 201(rr) of the Act. The additional tobacco product categories would be subject to general controls, such as registration, product listing, ingredient listing, good manufacturing practice requirements, user fees for certain products, and the adulteration and misbranding provisions, as well as to the premarket review requirements for “new tobacco products” and “modified risk tobacco products.”
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-rules/182605-fda-comply-law.html#post3085930

PLEASE post a retraction or I will have to report it to the Ombudsman. I will also find a Toronto paper that will listen to my story regarding e-cigarettes and your poor quality of journalism.

Sent to the CBC with the last paragraph changed when I sent it to the Ombudsman immediately after.

EVERYONE please contact the CBC Ombudsman and report this poor, unethical style of journalism coming from our publicly funded CBC.

Link is HERE:

The Office of the Ombudsman - Contact Us

To complain to the CBC HERE:

CBC.ca - Contact Us Page

A nice retraction/apology and or an actual article that publishes a few favorable facts can't hurt our cause. Maybe also mention that they lied about e-cig's being illegal as I was too hasty and enraged to even point out all of their BS.
 
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Just wrote to the Ombudsman. Found out something about the woman quoted near the end of this awful article...Janice Burgess. Might interest you to know that she works for PACT (Partnership to Assist with Cessation of Tobacco) and PAS (Pharmacists' Association of Saskatchewan). Funny how CBC failed to mention that she's financially beholden to the pharmaceutical industry.

She's also been the keynote speaker at two Pfizer-funded conferences:

- Oct 22nd, 2009: "Smoking Cessation - Strategies and Opportunities"
- Feb 6th, 2011: "Smoking Cessation - Kick ...."

That's right: someone who gets money from Pfizer is (shockingly) pro-Pfizer and anti-vaping!
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Pfizer makes Champix, btw.

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Anyway...hopefully the Ombudsman gets that CBC article retracted promptly. I've also asked him to conduct an investigation into the truly sloppy practices that the responsible reporter(s) used when putting the article together. Apparently, even rudimentary fact-checking was not a priority. It damn well should be.

Don't worry folks...if the lies & insinuations against us remain as transparent as the ones in this article...we've got nothing to worry about. And if all goes well with the industry's efforts to put an end to the nonsense with HC, the day will soon come where the issue of e-cigs in Canada is settled. With vapers as the winners!

So happy vaping!
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Funny how CBC failed to mention that she's financially beholden to the pharmaceutical industry.

She's also been the keynote speaker at two Pfizer-funded conferences:

- Oct 22nd, 2009: "Smoking Cessation - Strategies and Opportunities"
- Feb 6th, 2011: "Smoking Cessation - Kick ...."

Good Sleuthing! I hear there may be an opening for a reporter very soon at CBC! I think you'd be a natural for the job!
 

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Hey,

here's my letter to the Obudsman:

Mr Kirk LaPointe,

I write to you, as the CBC Ombudsman, to express my extreme disgust with the poor quality of journalism and complete lack of any research, even surface research. I also write to express my disdain with our national news source for allowing it to be used as a vehicle for pharmaceutical companies to promote and disseminate misinformation with the goal of dissuading people from using an alternative to their products while hiding behind the guise of “Health Concerns”. I will start by saying that I am not a paid or unpaid representative of any e-cig/PV/E-Liquid company person. I am, however, a member of CASAA (Consumer Advocates for Smokefree Alternatives Association). I have not, however, been asked by CASAA to approach you and am doing so on my own behalf.

My complaint is in regards to the article posted on the 5th of September entitled “Banned e-cigarettes on sale in Regina stores” that can be found on your website at the following address, Banned e-cigarettes on sale in Regina stores - Health - CBC News . Below I will pick the article apart piece by piece to show the complete lack of research that was placed in this article and to point out the inaccurate and fallacious statements that were made.

First, however I will point out what I believe to be the greatest issue with this article. This article quotes almost no source material and only uses one “professional” opinion. What the reporter failed to mention is that Janice Burgess, who “helps people quit smoking” works for PACT (Partnership to Assist with Cessation of Tobacco) and PAS (Pharmacists' Association of Saskatchewan). Coupled with the fact that she’s been the keynote speaker at two Pfizer-funded conferences in the past few years (Oct 22nd, 2009: "Smoking Cessation - Strategies and Opportunities" and Feb 6th, 2011: "Smoking Cessation - Kick ....") and she suddenly stops becoming a patients advocate and becomes a pharmaceutical advocate. Is there a reason that the CBC reporter failed to mention that she's financially beholden to the pharmaceutical industry that would stand to lose profits if E-cigs were given market authorization. Also can a woman whose personal livelihood stands at risk if people are allowed a healthier alternative to smoking really be considered to be able to give a balanced and reasonable viewpoint on a device that would affect her job?
To the article…
The opening phrase of the article “Electronic cigarettes are illegal and unreliable as a quit-smoking tool, according to Health Canada, but they’re still easy to buy in Regina stores.” is incorrect and misleading. Electronic cigarettes, more commonly called PV’s (personal vaporizers) are NOT currently illegal. Health Canada(HC) has merely issued warning letters and advisories against them, but the devices and the nicotine bearing juice are not illegal to own or use. The reliability of the devices is currently considered by HC to be unknown and untested, and is not considered to be “unreliable” by HC as reported. This is a significant difference as it marks the difference between HC citing knowledge of the devices(which it does not do) and HC citing a lack of knowledge (which it does). In fact the HC advisory that is issued to the public (Health Canada Advises Canadians Not to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Health Canada Advisory 2009-03-27) states categorically, “these products may pose health risks and have not been fully evaluated for safety, quality and efficacy by Health Canada”. This is quite different from “unreliable” as the CBC reporter states.
The next paragraph that is false is the following: “E-cigarettes are available online, although Health Canada and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which regulate the cigarettes as drugs, have not approved them for sale.” The US FDA does NOT regulate e-cigs as drugs or drug delivery devices. They worked very hard for many years to do so but ultimately were told by the US Supreme Court that they had no basis for doing so. In fact, it lost every court case that it faced in the US. Let me be clear, the FDA lost every Case and in the US PV’s and E-Juice are treated as Tobacco Products.
Further issues in the following paragraph “In fact, Health Canada says it doesn’t approve any form of electronic cigarette for sale in Canada. And there is no proof e-cigarettes help smokers give up tobacco, the department says.”. Despite PV’s meeting HC’s own Schedule F exemptions from drug status which states that nicotine is not prohibited by or controlled by Schedule F in any way when it is "in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit.", HC has stated that PV’s are not exempt and therefore they claim PV’s must gain market authorization from HC. When approached HC will give no rationale or reasoning for it. Further to that, there are no reputable vendors that sell PV’s as a “quit Smoking Device”. Rather, they sell them as alternatives to smoking, just as chewing tobacco and Snus are alternatives.
My final issues revolve around the statements of Ms Burgess: “Janice Burgess of Regina, who helps people quit smoking, says not enough research has been done on electronic cigarettes. She worries the vapor is a risk to others, just as second-hand tobacco smoke is. “People around the person using the e-cigarette will be exposed to whatever is in the liquid cartridge,” she said.”. The question is, what does she consider to be “enough research” There are at least 4 different studies that have been conducted by various universities, the University of Alberta in Canada and The Boston School of Public Medicine in the US to name just two, that I’m personally aware of. Then there are the various studies that have been performed by independent laboratories at the request of the PV industry, at least 5 or 6 that I am aware of at this time. If you would like copies of the studies, I would be more than happy to forward you a full copy of each. My question is, is that not enough? How many studies were conducted independently to approve those items actually being sold as Nicotine Replacement Therapies and specifically how many studies were performed on the “orally inhaled” NRT known commercially as the “Nicotrol® Inhaler” and were any of them “independent” or University studies?

Frankly, the work presented is shoddy and ridden with errors; I’ve only taken a few hours to write this email to you, while at work and completing other tasks… I’ve done minimal research and only scratched the surface of what is likely available content and yet I was able to provide accurate statements. Is this really too much to ask of from a reporter? I recognize that I stand on one side of a divide as a PV user and advocate; however I thought that the CBC was better at reporting and verifying facts. Even when taking a stance on one side of any particular “truth” I would have thought that the CBC reporter and his /her department editor would have taken the time to do their own research to verify the “facts” it publishes.
I am asking for a personal detailed response to this letter (pro-forma is insufficient) and a public retraction of the article on the basis of factual inaccuracies. I do thank you for taking the time to read my letter and look forward to hearing your response.
Sincerely,
 

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double post, apparently...

Good for you, that was alot of work on all our behalf. Now if all the lazy's will just fire off something small at least our voices should be heard. Perhaps although we have yet to organize in Canada. Anytime we see something happening we can just fire up an anti-propaganda mini thread and get as many people on board for each specific case we dig up. Kudo's to anyone that supports our endeavours.
 
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