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Susan~S

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As long as you pick the appropriate 18650 battery for your mod (regarding it's chemistry & amp's CDR), they can be very safe.

Here are several great blog posts by @Baditude (one of ECF's battery safety experts).

#9. Battery Basics for Mods: The Definative Battery Guide for Vaping
  • A popular and essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
#11. Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 1
  • For those who want to learn the differences between IMR, IMR/hybrid, ICR, and LiPo batteries. What do those numbers and letters on batteries mean? What's an amp rating and why is it more important than the mAh rating when choosing a battery for vaping?
#12. Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 2
  • Protected vs unprotected batteries - what's the difference? Ohm's Law 101. What is an AW battery? What is an inline fuse? What is stacking batteries?
 
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ncladycycler

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Hi,
I am using 18650 with Kanger subox mini and sigelei 150w tc and its always been fine.
I have
-18650 xtreme vaping outlaw 2500mAh 40Amp and a 18650 LG for the anger
-a pair of 18650 sony tc 5 for the sigelei
Everything fine with these set up
Thanks, I am gonna read up on the proper care some more and think I may give it a try :)
 

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As long as you pick the appropriate 18650 battery for your mod (regarding it's chemistry & amp's CDR), they can be very safe.

Here are several great blog posts by @Baditude (one of ECF's battery safety experts).

#9. Battery Basics for Mods: The Definative Battery Guide for Vaping
  • A popular and essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
#11. Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 1
  • For those who want to learn the differences between IMR, IMR/hybrid, ICR, and LiPo batteries. What do those numbers and letters on batteries mean? What's an amp rating and why is it more important than the mAh rating when choosing a battery for vaping?
#12. Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 2
  • Protected vs unprotected batteries - what's the difference? Ohm's Law 101. What is an AW battery? What is an inline fuse? What is stacking batteries?
thanks, I am fixing to read this!!
 

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Whatever you do DO NOT BUY BATTERIES ON E BAY , that place is absolutely loaded to the gills with counterfeits , sure they show an authentic battery in the pics but what you get is often one that looks the same but ...

It is mind boggling actually and these sellers are still selling crap to countless uninformed people , a pair of authentic's can be had for under $11.00 bucks most of the time , buy from an approved vendor.
 

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didn't really advised it, just said what works for me.
I bought it as a spare one with the kanger on uk e cig store, the brand is "vaping outlaw"
Should i stop using it ?

I, personally, would not use it for anything requiring more than 5amps. 'Vaping Outlaw' and '35amp' just don't ring true to me. What do you think?
 
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Should i stop using it ?
I would. There's no such thing as an 18650 IMR battery with more than 30 amps CDR (continuous discharge rate), so that 40-amp rating on your battery is either a "pulse" discharge rate (useless for our purposes) or an outright lie. It's probably a re-wrapped 20-amp battery, but since there's no way to really know what the actual cell is underneath the wrapper there, I personally wouldn't use it at all. This is why we recommend you always buy name-brand batteries (Sony, LG, Samsung, or Panasonic) and always buy them from a trusted vendor. Illumination Supply (illumn.com), RTD Vapor (.com), and Orbtronics (.com) are three that have good reputations around here. Otherwise, it's just a box of chocolates.
 

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How safe are the batteries like the 18650? Which is the safest, the internal or external batteries, or is that a fair question? I love, love, love my egrip setup but I was wondering about the Nebox. The thing that puts me off about it, is the type of battery it uses.

Click the link in my signature. Got a breakdown list a what battery for what wattage range, where to find authentics, as well as some good charge brands for proper battery care listed. Susan forgot to add @Mooch to the blog entries to look at as well, he's tested quite a few batteries for safety to help make an education guess as well.
 

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Hi,
I am using 18650 with Kanger subox mini and sigelei 150w tc and its always been fine.
I have
-18650 xtreme vaping outlaw 2500mAh 40Amp and a 18650 LG for the anger
-a pair of 18650 sony tc 5 for the sigelei
Everything fine with these set up

There are no batteries higher than 30amp CDR being made by the big 4 manufacturers (Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, or LG), best those highlighted batteries safely are is 20amp CDR. Those Sony VTC5s in that Sigelei should be fine up to 100watts, unlike its brothers the VTC3 and VTC4 the VTC5 is a 20amp CDR battery only. Only 2 true 30amp batteries on the market which are the "ONLY 2" super high drain 18650 is the Sony VTC3 1600mAh, and the LG HB6 1500mAh
 

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You might like to read:
15 things every LiPo battery user should know
All batteries demand our respect. How safe?, As safe as the time you are willing to invest in making them safe.
LiPo batteries should only be used in regulated mods with protected circuitry. DO NOT use them in mechanical mods, being that they don't have protection circuitry. LiPo batteries are not safe chemistry; when they go into thermal runaway they can vent in flames or explode. The same is true of ICR batteries.

IMR (Li-Mn) batteries are safe chemistry, and the only batteries recommended for use in mods that take removeabe batteries.. Although they will vent hot gas when they go into thermal runaway, they generally will not vent in flames or explode.

Regardless of the battery used, your mod (ESPECIALLY A MECHANICAL) must have adequate vent holes, preferably in the top of the mod, to allow gas release should the battery go into thermal runaway. If the mod has inadequate venting, it literally becomes a pipe bomb.

Vent holes in the bottom of the mod are inadequate. The battery may physically block gas from escaping. Batteries are designed to release their gas from the top (positive pole). This is probably the reason that mods which have exploded bust open at the top.

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Find a machine shop with a drill press, and have them drill at least two 2mm holes in the top of the mechanical mod, strategically placed where the top of the battery lies.
 
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You have all the information you need to know how to make a safe and informative choice of batteries, given all the links above.

Personally, I would only use a battery manufactured by AW, LG, Samsung, or Sony. And I would try to purchase them from a reputable distributor such as RTD Vaper, Illumination Supply, IMR Batteries, or Orbtronics.

Batteries are the most IMPORTANT piece of your gear. Don't skimp by buying cheap poor quality batteries. And don't believe the false specifications that many manufacturers claim. @Mooch 's blog has done independent bench tests of most of the batteries currently on the market.
 

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You have all the information you need to know how to make a safe and informative choice of batteries, given all the links above.

Personally, I would only use a battery manufactured by AW, LG, Samsung, or Sony. And I would try to purchase them from a reputable distributor such as RTD Vaper, Illumination Supply, IMR Batteries, or Orbtronics.

Batteries are the most IMPORTANT piece of your gear. Don't skimp by buying cheap poor quality batteries. And don't believe the false specifications that many manufacturers claim. @Mooch 's blog has done independent bench tests of most of the batteries currently on the market.



Not to be left behind....the Panasonic NCR's.

Ideal for their extra capacity and safety and for users who build above 1 ohm.

I have seen videos of this batteries being tested to the extreme (not gently like @Mooch ,
hammered, cut, drilled into !!!

It's unfortunate that Panasonic does not make more Vape specific batteries.
 
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